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                                NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY
                                 (423) 267-8059    (800) 261-8059




2 1 2 3 4 APPEARANCES 5 6 SPEAKERS PAGE 7 8 STEVE MCCRACKEN, TVA................ 4 9 BRENDA TIMM, CAG ................... 7 10 RANDY ELLIS, CAG.................... 9 11 LEO FRANCENDESE, EPA................ 13 12 CRAIG ZELLER, EPA................... 43 13 ALAN YARBROUGH, ATSDR............... 59 14 BONNIE BASHOR, TDOH................. 60 15 BRUCE ENGELBERT, FACILITATOR........ 67 16 17 18 19 - - - 20 21 22 23 24 25 NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
3 1 2 3 PUBLIC SPEAKERS PAGE 4 5 JACK ARP.............................. 70 6 TERRI LIKENS.......................... 71 7 FRANZ RAETZER......................... 72 8 ELAINE STEELE......................... 77 9 EARL TYLER............................ 87 10 DAVE BRUNDAGE......................... 93 11 FLO HOPKINS........................... 100 12 VINCE JOSWICK......................... 108 13 ROGER BAILEY.......................... 113 14 DAVE BRUNDAGE......................... 116 15 JOHN SINGLETON........................ 118 16 ROGER BAILEY.......................... 122 17 18 19 20 - - - 21 22 23 24 25 NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
4 17:56:24 1 STEVE MCCRACKEN: Good evening, 7:56:24 1 STEVE MCCRACKEN: Good evening, 17:56:24 2 everybody. For those of you that I haven't 7:56:24 2 everybody. For those of you that I haven't 17:56:44 3 met before, my name is Steve McCracken. I'm 7:56:44 3 met before, my name is Steve McCracken. I'm 17:56:48 4 the general manager of the ash cleanup 7:56:48 4 the general manager of the ash cleanup 17:56:54 5 project for TVA. Before we begin, I guess I 7:56:54 5 project for TVA. Before we begin, I guess I 17:57:00 6 just need to state the obvious. If we need 7:57:00 6 just need to state the obvious. If we need 17:57:04 7 to exit the building for any reason, there's 7:57:04 7 to exit the building for any reason, there's 17:57:06 8 two exits at the back and two at the front. 7:57:06 8 two exits at the back and two at the front. 17:57:10 9 And I think -- I don't know where the 7:57:10 9 And I think -- I don't know where the 17:57:10 10 restrooms are. They're around here 7:57:10 10 restrooms are. They're around here 17:57:12 11 somewhere. They're that way. So I guess 7:57:12 11 somewhere. They're that way. So I guess 17:57:16 12 that covers that. 7:57:16 12 that covers that. 17:57:26 13 Where is Mike? Mike Farmer is here 7:57:26 13 Where is Mike? Mike Farmer is here 17:57:26 14 this evening. Mike, raise your hand. 7:57:26 14 this evening. Mike, raise your hand. 17:57:30 15 Everybody welcome Mr. Farmer here this 7:57:30 15 Everybody welcome Mr. Farmer here this 17:57:32 16 evening. Executive Farmer. I want to thank 7:57:32 16 evening. Executive Farmer. I want to thank 17:57:34 17 you for coming. We have a full agenda. We 7:57:34 17 you for coming. We have a full agenda. We 17:57:38 18 have a lot of things to talk about. I'd 7:57:38 18 have a lot of things to talk about. I'd 17:57:40 19 like to -- all I'm going to do is make 7:57:40 19 like to -- all I'm going to do is make 17:57:42 20 introductions and once I have introduced the 7:57:42 20 introductions and once I have introduced the 17:57:46 21 people that are going to speak tonight and 7:57:46 21 people that are going to speak tonight and 17:57:48 22 talk a little bit about the agenda, then you 7:57:48 22 talk a little bit about the agenda, then you 17:57:52 23 -- I won't get up and keep introducing 7:57:52 23 -- I won't get up and keep introducing 17:57:54 24 people as the night goes on because that 7:57:54 24 people as the night goes on because that 17:57:56 25 will just take more of your time. 7:57:56 25 will just take more of your time. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
5 17:58:00 1 If you attended the last public 7:58:00 1 If you attended the last public 17:58:02 2 meeting, you will recognize our facilitator 7:58:02 2 meeting, you will recognize our facilitator 17:58:06 3 that's here today. Bruce, if you'd stand 7:58:06 3 that's here today. Bruce, if you'd stand 17:58:08 4 up. Bruce Engelbert is a single -- a senior 7:58:08 4 up. Bruce Engelbert is a single -- a senior 17:58:12 5 facilitator from E-Squared, Inc., out of 7:58:12 5 facilitator from E-Squared, Inc., out of 17:58:16 6 Charlottesville, Virginia. He facilitated 7:58:16 6 Charlottesville, Virginia. He facilitated 17:58:18 7 the last meeting we had. We thought he did 7:58:18 7 the last meeting we had. We thought he did 17:58:20 8 a great job. He will facilitate the 7:58:20 8 a great job. He will facilitate the 17:58:24 9 question and answer part of the program 7:58:24 9 question and answer part of the program 17:58:24 10 tonight. He will talk to you -- he will 7:58:24 10 tonight. He will talk to you -- he will 17:58:30 11 introduce the question and answer period and 7:58:30 11 introduce the question and answer period and 17:58:32 12 then he will take questions from the 7:58:32 12 then he will take questions from the 17:58:34 13 audience and direct them to the right people 7:58:34 13 audience and direct them to the right people 17:58:36 14 and he'll talk a little bit about the ground 7:58:36 14 and he'll talk a little bit about the ground 17:58:38 15 rules for that when it's his turn. 7:58:38 15 rules for that when it's his turn. 17:58:40 16 Presentations tonight will be made 7:58:40 16 Presentations tonight will be made 17:58:42 17 by Leo Francendese. Leo, raise your hand. 7:58:42 17 by Leo Francendese. Leo, raise your hand. 17:58:48 18 Leo is EPA's on-site coordinator. He will 7:58:48 18 Leo is EPA's on-site coordinator. He will 17:58:52 19 provide you an update on the Kingston site 7:58:52 19 provide you an update on the Kingston site 17:58:56 20 and discuss the EPA's environmental audit 7:58:56 20 and discuss the EPA's environmental audit 17:58:58 21 report. 7:58:58 21 report. 17:59:00 22 Craig Zeller. Where is Craig? 7:59:00 22 Craig Zeller. Where is Craig? 17:59:04 23 He is the EE/CA project manager, the 7:59:04 23 He is the EE/CA project manager, the 17:59:08 24 Engineering Evaluation and Cost Analysis, 7:59:08 24 Engineering Evaluation and Cost Analysis, 17:59:10 25 which is that document that will, we hope, 7:59:10 25 which is that document that will, we hope, NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
6 17:59:12 1 lead us to a final cleanup decision for the 7:59:12 1 lead us to a final cleanup decision for the 17:59:16 2 site over the next few months. He works for 7:59:16 2 site over the next few months. He works for 17:59:20 3 EPA. He will go through the alternatives 7:59:20 3 EPA. He will go through the alternatives 17:59:22 4 that are in that report and talk about the 7:59:22 4 that are in that report and talk about the 17:59:24 5 next phase of the cleanup. 7:59:24 5 next phase of the cleanup. 17:59:28 6 Bonnie Bashor. Bonnie, if you'd 7:59:28 6 Bonnie Bashor. Bonnie, if you'd 17:59:28 7 raise your hand. Bonnie Bashor is with the 7:59:28 7 raise your hand. Bonnie Bashor is with the 17:59:32 8 Tennessee Department of Health. She will 7:59:32 8 Tennessee Department of Health. She will 17:59:34 9 present the Tennessee Department of Health 7:59:34 9 present the Tennessee Department of Health 17:59:36 10 and ATSDR's draft health assessment that is 7:59:36 10 and ATSDR's draft health assessment that is 17:59:40 11 currently out for public comment. 7:59:40 11 currently out for public comment. 17:59:44 12 By the way, when you came in 7:59:44 12 By the way, when you came in 17:59:46 13 tonight you noticed that there's a lot of 7:59:46 13 tonight you noticed that there's a lot of 17:59:48 14 posters along the walls. What we would 7:59:48 14 posters along the walls. What we would 17:59:50 15 really hope that you would take the time to 7:59:50 15 really hope that you would take the time to 17:59:54 16 do is stop and talk to the people that we 7:59:54 16 do is stop and talk to the people that we 17:59:56 17 have that are subject matter experts in a 7:59:56 17 have that are subject matter experts in a 18:00:02 18 lot of things, the alternatives, air 8:00:02 18 lot of things, the alternatives, air 18:00:04 19 monitoring, water monitoring. They can 8:00:04 19 monitoring, water monitoring. They can 18:00:06 20 certainly and are more than willing and, in 8:00:06 20 certainly and are more than willing and, in 18:00:08 21 fact, would look forward to an opportunity 8:00:08 21 fact, would look forward to an opportunity 18:00:10 22 to talk to you one on one about the work 8:00:10 22 to talk to you one on one about the work 18:00:14 23 that's in their particular area of 8:00:14 23 that's in their particular area of 18:00:18 24 expertise. We will hang around after the 8:00:18 24 expertise. We will hang around after the 18:00:20 25 meeting is over tonight. So that if you 8:00:20 25 meeting is over tonight. So that if you NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
7 18:00:22 1 think of any questions that you might have 8:00:22 1 think of any questions that you might have 18:00:24 2 for those people, feel free to talk to them 8:00:24 2 for those people, feel free to talk to them 18:00:28 3 before you leave. 8:00:28 3 before you leave. 18:00:30 4 Before we begin, I would like to 8:00:30 4 Before we begin, I would like to 18:00:34 5 say again that I'm not going to stand up and 8:00:34 5 say again that I'm not going to stand up and 18:00:38 6 reintroduce each one of the presenters. 8:00:38 6 reintroduce each one of the presenters. 18:00:40 7 I'll let them each introduce themselves in 8:00:40 7 I'll let them each introduce themselves in 18:00:42 8 the order that they come up here to talk and 8:00:42 8 the order that they come up here to talk and 18:00:46 9 present the information that they have. 8:00:46 9 present the information that they have. 18:00:48 10 Before we begin that, though, I'd like to 8:00:48 10 Before we begin that, though, I'd like to 18:00:50 11 introduce Brenda Timm. Brenda, raise your 8:00:50 11 introduce Brenda Timm. Brenda, raise your 18:00:54 12 hand. Brenda Timm is the chair of Roane 8:00:54 12 hand. Brenda Timm is the chair of Roane 18:00:56 13 County Community Advisory Group. Standing 8:00:56 13 County Community Advisory Group. Standing 18:01:00 14 next to her is Randy Ellis. He's also on 8:01:00 14 next to her is Randy Ellis. He's also on 18:01:02 15 the Community Action Group. But Brenda 8:01:02 15 the Community Action Group. But Brenda 18:01:04 16 would like to speak to you for a few minutes 8:01:04 16 would like to speak to you for a few minutes 18:01:06 17 and then we'll begin the presentations 8:01:06 17 and then we'll begin the presentations 18:01:08 18 beginning with Leo. Thank you very much. 8:01:08 18 beginning with Leo. Thank you very much. 18:01:12 19 BRENDA TIMM: As he said, I'm 8:01:12 19 BRENDA TIMM: As he said, I'm 18:01:18 20 Brenda Timm and we're with the Community 8:01:18 20 Brenda Timm and we're with the Community 18:01:22 21 Advisory Group. The CAG was formed to deal 8:01:22 21 Advisory Group. The CAG was formed to deal 18:01:24 22 with the non-time-critical cleanup of the 8:01:24 22 with the non-time-critical cleanup of the 18:01:26 23 ash disaster and is made up of members of 8:01:26 23 ash disaster and is made up of members of 18:01:28 24 the community of all areas around the 8:01:28 24 the community of all areas around the 18:01:32 25 disaster. 8:01:32 25 disaster. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
8 18:01:32 1 The CAG was given a grant to hire 8:01:32 1 The CAG was given a grant to hire 18:01:34 2 an independent technical advisor, which 8:01:34 2 an independent technical advisor, which 18:01:36 3 we're in the process of doing that now. 8:01:36 3 we're in the process of doing that now. 18:01:38 4 We're hoping to finalize that by the end of 8:01:38 4 We're hoping to finalize that by the end of 18:01:40 5 the month. And once we hire our technical 8:01:40 5 the month. And once we hire our technical 18:01:44 6 advisor, they'll be available to us to 8:01:44 6 advisor, they'll be available to us to 18:01:46 7 answer the more technical questions on the 8:01:46 7 answer the more technical questions on the 18:01:48 8 documents that are out for comment now. Of 8:01:48 8 documents that are out for comment now. Of 18:01:52 9 those documents that are out right now, in 8:01:52 9 those documents that are out right now, in 18:01:56 10 case you aren't aware, they're on our 8:01:56 10 case you aren't aware, they're on our 18:01:58 11 website which is www.roanecag.org. They're 8:01:58 11 website which is www.roanecag.org. They're 18:02:04 12 also on TVA and EPA's websites and those are 8:02:04 12 also on TVA and EPA's websites and those are 18:02:08 13 the EE/CA and the Tennessee Department of 8:02:08 13 the EE/CA and the Tennessee Department of 18:02:10 14 Health's risk assessment. 8:02:10 14 Health's risk assessment. 18:02:12 15 If you want to sign up for 8:02:12 15 If you want to sign up for 18:02:14 16 notifications, when these things come out 8:02:14 16 notifications, when these things come out 18:02:16 17 we put them on our website, you can -- we'll 8:02:16 17 we put them on our website, you can -- we'll 18:02:20 18 be over here at our table if you want to 8:02:20 18 be over here at our table if you want to 18:02:20 19 stop by, give us your name, e-mail or phone 8:02:20 19 stop by, give us your name, e-mail or phone 18:02:24 20 number, whichever is more convenient for 8:02:24 20 number, whichever is more convenient for 18:02:26 21 you. We'd be happy to let you know when 8:02:26 21 you. We'd be happy to let you know when 18:02:28 22 those things come out. Just another way to 8:02:28 22 those things come out. Just another way to 18:02:30 23 inform you. 8:02:30 23 inform you. 18:02:32 24 At this time I want to introduce 8:02:32 24 At this time I want to introduce 18:02:32 25 Randy Ellis. He's the vice chair of the 8:02:32 25 Randy Ellis. He's the vice chair of the NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
9 18:02:36 1 Community Advisory Group and he's going to 8:02:36 1 Community Advisory Group and he's going to 18:02:38 2 give you an update of some of the things 8:02:38 2 give you an update of some of the things 18:02:40 3 that we've been working on and some of our 8:02:40 3 that we've been working on and some of our 18:02:44 4 accomplishments to date. Randy. 8:02:44 4 accomplishments to date. Randy. 18:02:46 5 RANDY ELLIS: Randy Ellis. I just 8:02:46 5 RANDY ELLIS: Randy Ellis. I just 18:02:52 6 want to go ahead and apologize ahead of 8:02:52 6 want to go ahead and apologize ahead of 18:02:54 7 time. I'm not the greatest public speaker. 8:02:54 7 time. I'm not the greatest public speaker. 18:02:56 8 I'm going to go over a few of the 8:02:56 8 I'm going to go over a few of the 18:02:58 9 accomplishments that the CAG has been able 8:02:58 9 accomplishments that the CAG has been able 18:03:00 10 to accomplish and cover some stuff we've 8:03:00 10 to accomplish and cover some stuff we've 18:03:02 11 been working on on behalf of Roane County. 8:03:02 11 been working on on behalf of Roane County. 18:03:04 12 One person that we didn't recognize 8:03:04 12 One person that we didn't recognize 18:03:06 13 tonight is Beth Hickman. She's here for 8:03:06 13 tonight is Beth Hickman. She's here for 18:03:10 14 Congressman Lincoln Davis right back here. 8:03:10 14 Congressman Lincoln Davis right back here. 18:03:12 15 Like I said, I just want to take a few 8:03:12 15 Like I said, I just want to take a few 18:03:12 16 minutes to go over some of the things that 8:03:12 16 minutes to go over some of the things that 18:03:14 17 we've been looking out for Roane County and 8:03:14 17 we've been looking out for Roane County and 18:03:16 18 some of the accomplishments. 8:03:16 18 some of the accomplishments. 18:03:18 19 The CAG has been frustrated with 8:03:18 19 The CAG has been frustrated with 18:03:22 20 lack of accurate information received from 8:03:22 20 lack of accurate information received from 18:03:22 21 all agencies in the beginning. We expressed 8:03:22 21 all agencies in the beginning. We expressed 18:03:24 22 our concern with the lack of effective 8:03:24 22 our concern with the lack of effective 18:03:26 23 communication from TVA on a number of 8:03:26 23 communication from TVA on a number of 18:03:26 24 subjects such as traffic concerns, the ash 8:03:26 24 subjects such as traffic concerns, the ash 18:03:30 25 snow that occurred on September 18th, and 8:03:30 25 snow that occurred on September 18th, and NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
10 18:03:30 1 other operations that affect the public in 8:03:30 1 other operations that affect the public in 18:03:34 2 the Swan Pond area. 8:03:34 2 the Swan Pond area. 18:03:36 3 As a result of this, TVA has made a 8:03:36 3 As a result of this, TVA has made a 18:03:38 4 renewed and renowned effort to get 8:03:38 4 renewed and renowned effort to get 18:03:40 5 information to the public even through -- 8:03:40 5 information to the public even through -- 18:03:42 6 even though this is a work in progress and 8:03:42 6 even though this is a work in progress and 18:03:44 7 far from perfect. Progress has certainly 8:03:44 7 far from perfect. Progress has certainly 18:03:46 8 been made. We expressed concern regarding 8:03:46 8 been made. We expressed concern regarding 18:03:48 9 violation of the Alabama ash storage site to 8:03:48 9 violation of the Alabama ash storage site to 18:03:50 10 EPA. EPA was unaware of the situation until 8:03:50 10 EPA. EPA was unaware of the situation until 18:03:54 11 it was brought to their attention and that 8:03:54 11 it was brought to their attention and that 18:03:56 12 they are now investigating this. 8:03:56 12 they are now investigating this. 18:03:56 13 The CAG has pointed out several 8:03:56 13 The CAG has pointed out several 18:03:58 14 concerns in the sampling data and 8:03:58 14 concerns in the sampling data and 18:04:02 15 methodology where samples have not been 8:04:02 15 methodology where samples have not been 18:04:04 16 taken at high flows on the Emory River when 8:04:04 16 taken at high flows on the Emory River when 18:04:06 17 the greatest contaminant load would be 8:04:06 17 the greatest contaminant load would be 18:04:08 18 present. 8:04:08 18 present. 18:04:10 19 Water quality data is incomplete 8:04:10 19 Water quality data is incomplete 18:04:10 20 and does not give an accurate picture of 8:04:10 20 and does not give an accurate picture of 18:04:12 21 heavy metal contaminant discharge and we 8:04:12 21 heavy metal contaminant discharge and we 18:04:16 22 think this understates them. There are 8:04:16 22 think this understates them. There are 18:04:18 23 serious anomalies that are unexplained 8:04:18 23 serious anomalies that are unexplained 18:04:20 24 between residual ash remaining in the failed 8:04:20 24 between residual ash remaining in the failed 18:04:24 25 pile and the dredge material analysis as 8:04:24 25 pile and the dredge material analysis as NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
11 18:04:26 1 well as the contaminant data for fish 8:04:26 1 well as the contaminant data for fish 18:04:26 2 collected in the spill area compared to fish 8:04:26 2 collected in the spill area compared to fish 18:04:30 3 collected upstream from the spill area. 8:04:30 3 collected upstream from the spill area. 18:04:32 4 The CAG is also concerned about 8:04:32 4 The CAG is also concerned about 18:04:34 5 the TVA as lead agency and would prefer 8:04:34 5 the TVA as lead agency and would prefer 18:04:36 6 that TVA be removed as lead agency due 8:04:36 6 that TVA be removed as lead agency due 18:04:36 7 to the failures such as water sampling 8:04:36 7 to the failures such as water sampling 18:04:42 8 irregularities and questions on air quality 8:04:42 8 irregularities and questions on air quality 18:04:42 9 measurements, as well. For instance, videos 8:04:42 9 measurements, as well. For instance, videos 18:04:46 10 clearly show ash dust being stirred up into 8:04:46 10 clearly show ash dust being stirred up into 18:04:50 11 clouds, but sampling stations does not 8:04:50 11 clouds, but sampling stations does not 18:04:52 12 indicate any data from this event. 8:04:52 12 indicate any data from this event. 18:04:56 13 We are seriously concerned and have 8:04:56 13 We are seriously concerned and have 18:04:58 14 called into question the practices allowing 8:04:58 14 called into question the practices allowing 18:05:00 15 TVA to redo TDEC, EPA and Department of 8:05:00 15 TVA to redo TDEC, EPA and Department of 18:05:04 16 Health documents prior to the release to the 8:05:04 16 Health documents prior to the release to the 18:05:04 17 public for comment. The CAG asked for and 8:05:04 17 public for comment. The CAG asked for and 18:05:06 18 receive the public health assessment and the 8:05:06 18 receive the public health assessment and the 18:05:08 19 TVA comments that were transmitted in 8:05:08 19 TVA comments that were transmitted in 18:05:10 20 official written form. These are posted at 8:05:10 20 official written form. These are posted at 18:05:14 21 the Tennessee Department of Health website 8:05:14 21 the Tennessee Department of Health website 18:05:16 22 and are linked on the CAG website also for 8:05:16 22 and are linked on the CAG website also for 18:05:18 23 everyone to see if they wish. 8:05:18 23 everyone to see if they wish. 18:05:20 24 The CAG has pointed out the failure 8:05:20 24 The CAG has pointed out the failure 18:05:22 25 of EPA standards for selenium in fish and 8:05:22 25 of EPA standards for selenium in fish and NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
12 18:05:26 1 corresponding to the warnings issued by the 8:05:26 1 corresponding to the warnings issued by the 18:05:30 2 Federal Drug Administration. Selenium 8:05:30 2 Federal Drug Administration. Selenium 18:05:32 3 contamination is collected -- has collected 8:05:32 3 contamination is collected -- has collected 18:05:34 4 fish as high enough to be considered toxic 8:05:34 4 fish as high enough to be considered toxic 18:05:36 5 by FDA standards. The CAG also has asked 8:05:36 5 by FDA standards. The CAG also has asked 18:05:40 6 for and received assurances that visual 8:05:40 6 for and received assurances that visual 18:05:42 7 aesthetics would be attended to in any 8:05:42 7 aesthetics would be attended to in any 18:05:44 8 restored dikes in the Swan Pond area or 8:05:44 8 restored dikes in the Swan Pond area or 18:05:48 9 other remediation of that area. 8:05:48 9 other remediation of that area. 18:05:50 10 Finally, the CAG continues to 8:05:50 10 Finally, the CAG continues to 18:05:52 11 listen to your concerns and the Roane County 8:05:52 11 listen to your concerns and the Roane County 18:05:54 12 citizens and relay them to EPA, TDEC and TVA 8:05:54 12 citizens and relay them to EPA, TDEC and TVA 18:05:58 13 and all other agencies involved. These 8:05:58 13 and all other agencies involved. These 18:05:58 14 agencies meet with us on a regular basis and 8:05:58 14 agencies meet with us on a regular basis and 18:06:00 15 respond to our questions. And e-mails have 8:06:00 15 respond to our questions. And e-mails have 18:06:02 16 -- even though we don't always like some of 8:06:02 16 -- even though we don't always like some of 18:06:04 17 their answers, but they are responding to 8:06:04 17 their answers, but they are responding to 18:06:06 18 our questions. 8:06:06 18 our questions. 18:06:08 19 Please feel free to contact me or 8:06:08 19 Please feel free to contact me or 18:06:10 20 anyone on our CAG website. It's www.cag.org 8:06:10 20 anyone on our CAG website. It's www.cag.org 18:06:16 21 or www.cag.com. You can pretty much get it 8:06:16 21 or www.cag.com. You can pretty much get it 18:06:18 22 in any area there. We want to know what 8:06:18 22 in any area there. We want to know what 18:06:20 23 your concerns is and we will do our best to 8:06:20 23 your concerns is and we will do our best to 18:06:22 24 raise questions that need to be addressed. 8:06:22 24 raise questions that need to be addressed. 18:06:24 25 Brenda had mentioned before, we was formed 8:06:24 25 Brenda had mentioned before, we was formed NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
13 18:06:28 1 for the community. We're your outlet. 8:06:28 1 for the community. We're your outlet. 18:06:32 2 We're sort of like your board of 8:06:32 2 We're sort of like your board of 18:06:32 3 commissioners, board to go to to vent your 8:06:32 3 commissioners, board to go to to vent your 18:06:34 4 concerns to the TVA. 8:06:34 4 concerns to the TVA. 18:06:36 5 Like I said, we ask the questions. 8:06:36 5 Like I said, we ask the questions. 18:06:38 6 And you can ask, we're pretty persistent 8:06:38 6 And you can ask, we're pretty persistent 18:06:40 7 when we ask questions and we want answers 8:06:40 7 when we ask questions and we want answers 18:06:42 8 for our community. Because we're 8:06:42 8 for our community. Because we're 18:06:42 9 representing the community and the community 8:06:42 9 representing the community and the community 18:06:44 10 is just not somebody that we're going to be 8:06:44 10 is just not somebody that we're going to be 18:06:46 11 gone when the spill is over, because we're 8:06:46 11 gone when the spill is over, because we're 18:06:48 12 part of this community just like you're part 8:06:48 12 part of this community just like you're part 18:06:50 13 of this community. So we have a vested 8:06:50 13 of this community. So we have a vested 18:06:52 14 interest in seeing our community cleaned up, 8:06:52 14 interest in seeing our community cleaned up, 18:06:52 15 too. So please, please, please do not ever 8:06:52 15 too. So please, please, please do not ever 18:06:54 16 hesitate to contact anybody with the CAG, 8:06:54 16 hesitate to contact anybody with the CAG, 18:06:56 17 myself, Brenda, or anyone on the CAG and 8:06:56 17 myself, Brenda, or anyone on the CAG and 18:07:00 18 stop by and chat with us afterwards. Thank 8:07:00 18 stop by and chat with us afterwards. Thank 18:07:02 19 you. 8:07:02 19 you. 18:07:10 20 LEO FRANCENDESE: Hi. I'm Leo 8:07:10 20 LEO FRANCENDESE: Hi. I'm Leo 18:07:22 21 Francendese. I'm the on-scene coordinator 8:07:22 21 Francendese. I'm the on-scene coordinator 18:07:24 22 for the EPA. I have a short presentation 8:07:24 22 for the EPA. I have a short presentation 18:07:28 23 here. Should probably get through it in 8:07:28 23 here. Should probably get through it in 18:07:30 24 about 30 minutes. It's meaty. I'm sure 8:07:30 24 about 30 minutes. It's meaty. I'm sure 18:07:34 25 there will be a fair amount of questions 8:07:34 25 there will be a fair amount of questions NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
14 18:07:36 1 that folks will want to talk about 8:07:36 1 that folks will want to talk about 18:07:38 2 afterwards. And I have a habit of walking 8:07:38 2 afterwards. And I have a habit of walking 18:07:42 3 around -- I have a habit of walking around, 8:07:42 3 around -- I have a habit of walking around, 18:07:46 4 so if you can tolerate that, I appreciate 8:07:46 4 so if you can tolerate that, I appreciate 18:07:50 5 it. 8:07:50 5 it. 18:07:54 6 All right. This is a -- I'm in 8:07:54 6 All right. This is a -- I'm in 18:07:56 7 charge for the EPA of the time-critical 8:07:56 7 charge for the EPA of the time-critical 18:08:00 8 phase. As Craig was introduced, he's in 8:08:00 8 phase. As Craig was introduced, he's in 18:08:02 9 charge for the non-time-critical phase. 8:08:02 9 charge for the non-time-critical phase. 18:08:04 10 This is -- from the EPA's perspective, this 8:08:04 10 This is -- from the EPA's perspective, this 18:08:08 11 is all done under an order with TVA using 8:08:08 11 is all done under an order with TVA using 18:08:12 12 CERCLA authority. We run a website that's a 8:08:12 12 CERCLA authority. We run a website that's a 18:08:20 13 fully dedicated page. We update it at least 8:08:20 13 fully dedicated page. We update it at least 18:08:24 14 every two days. It's chock full of 8:08:24 14 every two days. It's chock full of 18:08:28 15 information from every work plan we've 8:08:28 15 information from every work plan we've 18:08:30 16 approved to what are called pollution 8:08:30 16 approved to what are called pollution 18:08:34 17 reports and they are put out every two days. 8:08:34 17 reports and they are put out every two days. 18:08:40 18 The website is -- I think we're averaging 8:08:40 18 The website is -- I think we're averaging 18:08:46 19 several hundred hits a week. I've gotten a 8:08:46 19 several hundred hits a week. I've gotten a 18:08:50 20 lot of good feedback about information that 8:08:50 20 lot of good feedback about information that 18:08:52 21 they search for that they can't find and I 8:08:52 21 they search for that they can't find and I 18:08:54 22 encourage you to go to this website first 8:08:54 22 encourage you to go to this website first 18:08:58 23 instead of being frustrated by looking for 8:08:58 23 instead of being frustrated by looking for 18:09:00 24 numerous documents that you can't find. 8:09:00 24 numerous documents that you can't find. 18:09:04 25 Geographically, this is the 8:09:04 25 Geographically, this is the NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
15 18:09:10 1 separation between the non-time-critical 8:09:10 1 separation between the non-time-critical 18:09:12 2 phase and the time-critical phase. 8:09:12 2 phase and the time-critical phase. 18:09:14 3 Everything in red is the time-critical 8:09:14 3 Everything in red is the time-critical 18:09:18 4 phase. It's time-critical because in the 8:09:18 4 phase. It's time-critical because in the 18:09:22 5 Agency's opinion, it's a continuous release 8:09:22 5 Agency's opinion, it's a continuous release 18:09:26 6 when it's in an environment, such as the 8:09:26 6 when it's in an environment, such as the 18:09:30 7 river, where it doesn't belong. In terms of 8:09:30 7 river, where it doesn't belong. In terms of 18:09:32 8 non-time-critical, when you get to the point 8:09:32 8 non-time-critical, when you get to the point 18:09:36 9 where it's contained or under control, you 8:09:36 9 where it's contained or under control, you 18:09:40 10 then move to a different phraseology which 8:09:40 10 then move to a different phraseology which 18:09:44 11 is called non-time-critical. 8:09:44 11 is called non-time-critical. 18:09:46 12 Really the dividing line that's 8:09:46 12 Really the dividing line that's 18:09:48 13 most talked about to decide that is a dike. 8:09:48 13 most talked about to decide that is a dike. 18:09:54 14 It's called Dike 2. That was one of our 8:09:54 14 It's called Dike 2. That was one of our 18:09:56 15 earlier response actions in order to keep 8:09:56 15 earlier response actions in order to keep 18:10:02 16 what broke from the failed impoundment from 8:10:02 16 what broke from the failed impoundment from 18:10:04 17 continuing to go in the river. So what 8:10:04 17 continuing to go in the river. So what 18:10:06 18 they've done is they've used this as the 8:10:06 18 they've done is they've used this as the 18:10:10 19 boundary line or maginot line. 8:10:10 19 boundary line or maginot line. 18:10:16 20 This is the current progress. We 8:10:16 20 This is the current progress. We 18:10:20 21 expect by the first week in May to have the 8:10:20 21 expect by the first week in May to have the 18:10:22 22 overwhelming amount of ash removed from the 8:10:22 22 overwhelming amount of ash removed from the 18:10:26 23 river. We expect by November to have that 8:10:26 23 river. We expect by November to have that 18:10:30 24 ash that's been removed from the river 8:10:30 24 ash that's been removed from the river 18:10:36 25 disposed of off site. One of the decisions 8:10:36 25 disposed of off site. One of the decisions NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
16 18:10:38 1 we made early on was that the site was too 8:10:38 1 we made early on was that the site was too 18:10:42 2 unstable to keep that ash that we pulled out 8:10:42 2 unstable to keep that ash that we pulled out 18:10:46 3 of the river on site, so in order to move 8:10:46 3 of the river on site, so in order to move 18:10:48 4 with speed, we decided to incorporate off- 8:10:48 4 with speed, we decided to incorporate off- 18:10:52 5 site disposal and, as all of you know, we 8:10:52 5 site disposal and, as all of you know, we 18:10:54 6 went to a place called Arrowhead Landfill in 8:10:54 6 went to a place called Arrowhead Landfill in 18:10:58 7 Perry County, Alabama. We're on track with 8:10:58 7 Perry County, Alabama. We're on track with 18:11:02 8 both schedules. 8:11:02 8 both schedules. 18:11:06 9 This is a simple graphic. It's not 8:11:06 9 This is a simple graphic. It's not 18:11:10 10 meant for anything more than just a visual 8:11:10 10 meant for anything more than just a visual 18:11:12 11 understanding. I'll kind of help you with 8:11:12 11 understanding. I'll kind of help you with 18:11:18 12 the graphic here. Let's see if I can do 8:11:18 12 the graphic here. Let's see if I can do 18:11:22 13 this. Oh, there you go. This is two axes. 8:11:22 13 this. Oh, there you go. This is two axes. 18:11:30 14 The ash thickness goes from zero to 30 feet. 8:11:30 14 The ash thickness goes from zero to 30 feet. 18:11:34 15 If you look at the May, which is when the 8:11:34 15 If you look at the May, which is when the 18:11:38 16 order officially was signed, you'll see that 8:11:38 16 order officially was signed, you'll see that 18:11:42 17 there was a 30-foot plug and this is 8:11:42 17 there was a 30-foot plug and this is 18:11:46 18 distance -- it's hard to see here, but you 8:11:46 18 distance -- it's hard to see here, but you 18:11:50 19 can get this -- I'll post this power point 8:11:50 19 can get this -- I'll post this power point 18:11:52 20 on the web page in case folks want to see 8:11:52 20 on the web page in case folks want to see 18:11:54 21 it. You'll see here -- here we go. There 8:11:54 21 it. You'll see here -- here we go. There 18:12:00 22 it is. You'll see here that from here to 8:12:00 22 it is. You'll see here that from here to 18:12:04 23 here is about a mile and a half. So in a 8:12:04 23 here is about a mile and a half. So in a 18:12:08 24 mile and a half of the Emory River lies the 8:12:08 24 mile and a half of the Emory River lies the 18:12:10 25 big plug or bulk of where the ash is and 8:12:10 25 big plug or bulk of where the ash is and NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
17 18:12:14 1 that's a 30-foot plug that sat in the 8:12:14 1 that's a 30-foot plug that sat in the 18:12:16 2 channel when we first started doing work in 8:12:16 2 channel when we first started doing work in 18:12:20 3 May. 8:12:20 3 May. 18:12:20 4 TVA had started a pilot project 8:12:20 4 TVA had started a pilot project 18:12:24 5 back in March and then once we learned from 8:12:24 5 back in March and then once we learned from 18:12:28 6 the pilot project what we were capable of 8:12:28 6 the pilot project what we were capable of 18:12:30 7 doing, that removal became accelerated. 8:12:30 7 doing, that removal became accelerated. 18:12:34 8 You'll see in November a substantial amount 8:12:34 8 You'll see in November a substantial amount 18:12:36 9 of that plug was already removed and then 8:12:36 9 of that plug was already removed and then 18:12:40 10 you come to December you'll see that it's 8:12:40 10 you come to December you'll see that it's 18:12:42 11 down to 15 feet. We also pecked away at the 8:12:42 11 down to 15 feet. We also pecked away at the 18:12:48 12 edges here. The yellow is where the areas 8:12:48 12 edges here. The yellow is where the areas 18:12:52 13 were removed. So finally, here we are. 8:12:52 13 were removed. So finally, here we are. 18:12:52 14 This last one, the January 8th one, that's 8:12:52 14 This last one, the January 8th one, that's 18:12:56 15 based on the -- we do a bathymetry and we 8:12:56 15 based on the -- we do a bathymetry and we 18:13:02 16 produce some fancy pictures. This is a 8:13:02 16 produce some fancy pictures. This is a 18:13:04 17 reduction of those fancy pictures. We've 8:13:04 17 reduction of those fancy pictures. We've 18:13:06 18 gone past that since the first week of 8:13:06 18 gone past that since the first week of 18:13:08 19 January. It's about another 200,000 yards 8:13:08 19 January. It's about another 200,000 yards 18:13:12 20 less than what's here. So we're now into 8:13:12 20 less than what's here. So we're now into 18:13:14 21 the single digits of height of what that 8:13:14 21 the single digits of height of what that 18:13:18 22 plug is. 8:13:18 22 plug is. 18:13:22 23 Next issue. We're using what's 8:13:22 23 Next issue. We're using what's 18:13:26 24 called the old ball field as our primary 8:13:26 24 called the old ball field as our primary 18:13:28 25 processing area. Until now we've operated 8:13:28 25 processing area. Until now we've operated NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
18 18:13:32 1 at a maximum height of 15 feet. I recently 8:13:32 1 at a maximum height of 15 feet. I recently 18:13:40 2 approved the work plan to go to 30 feet and 8:13:40 2 approved the work plan to go to 30 feet and 18:13:42 3 that's temporary. And that work plan has 8:13:42 3 that's temporary. And that work plan has 18:13:44 4 been reviewed by some international 8:13:44 4 been reviewed by some international 18:13:48 5 engineers at AECOM, Geosyntec, and most 8:13:48 5 engineers at AECOM, Geosyntec, and most 18:13:52 6 importantly from my end, I brought in the 8:13:52 6 importantly from my end, I brought in the 18:13:56 7 national dam safety experts to review all 8:13:56 7 national dam safety experts to review all 18:14:00 8 our land-based operations including dikes, 8:14:00 8 our land-based operations including dikes, 18:14:04 9 materials handling, and storage of 8:14:04 9 materials handling, and storage of 18:14:06 10 materials. I'm very confident with the 8:14:06 10 materials. I'm very confident with the 18:14:08 11 work plan that they came up with, that that 8:14:08 11 work plan that they came up with, that that 18:14:12 12 30-feet height is safe and you won't 8:14:12 12 30-feet height is safe and you won't 18:14:16 13 experience what was experienced prior with 8:14:16 13 experience what was experienced prior with 18:14:18 14 the failed cell. 8:14:18 14 the failed cell. 18:14:22 15 I'd like to talk a little bit about 8:14:22 15 I'd like to talk a little bit about 18:14:24 16 the advisory and the closure that exists 8:14:24 16 the advisory and the closure that exists 17 that's set to expire. And the Coast Guard 18:14:32 18 is here. Raise your hand, Coast Guard. 8:14:32 18 is here. Raise your hand, Coast Guard. 18:14:32 19 Coast Guard is in the back. I have to 8:14:32 19 Coast Guard is in the back. I have to 18:14:34 20 coordinate these kind of decisions with the 8:14:34 20 coordinate these kind of decisions with the 18:14:36 21 Coast Guard. This is not considered a 8:14:36 21 Coast Guard. This is not considered a 18:14:38 22 commercial waterway. It's considered a 8:14:38 22 commercial waterway. It's considered a 18:14:42 23 recreational waterway. The Coast Guard has 8:14:42 23 recreational waterway. The Coast Guard has 18:14:46 24 been of great assistance both in terms of 8:14:46 24 been of great assistance both in terms of 18:14:48 25 health and safety oversight, exclusion zone 8:14:48 25 health and safety oversight, exclusion zone NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
19 18:14:54 1 control, and also taking care of how well 8:14:54 1 control, and also taking care of how well 18:14:58 2 traffic is managed within the Emory River. 8:14:58 2 traffic is managed within the Emory River. 18:15:02 3 There's a small navy working in the river. 8:15:02 3 There's a small navy working in the river. 18:15:06 4 The current closure -- is it 8:15:06 4 The current closure -- is it 18:15:10 5 February 10th? The 15th. The current 8:15:10 5 February 10th? The 15th. The current 18:15:14 6 closure is set to expire February 15th. We 8:15:14 6 closure is set to expire February 15th. We 18:15:18 7 will have to extend that. You saw on the 8:15:18 7 will have to extend that. You saw on the 18:15:22 8 previous slide that we'll be going to the 8:15:22 8 previous slide that we'll be going to the 18:15:24 9 first week in May to remove the overwhelming 8:15:24 9 first week in May to remove the overwhelming 18:15:28 10 amount of ash from the river. I'm not sure 8:15:28 10 amount of ash from the river. I'm not sure 18:15:34 11 -- this is such a small pointer. Can you 8:15:34 11 -- this is such a small pointer. Can you 18:15:38 12 folks see that from back there, this little 8:15:38 12 folks see that from back there, this little 18:15:40 13 red dot? It's hard. Huh? Let me play with 8:15:40 13 red dot? It's hard. Huh? Let me play with 18:15:44 14 this little arrow. 8:15:44 14 this little arrow. 18:15:46 15 The current closure boundaries are 8:15:46 15 The current closure boundaries are 18:15:48 16 right here and right there. There's an 8:15:48 16 right here and right there. There's an 18:15:52 17 advisory in the river from here to there, 8:15:52 17 advisory in the river from here to there, 18:15:56 18 Mile marker 4 to mile marker zero. But I 8:15:56 18 Mile marker 4 to mile marker zero. But I 18:16:00 19 have a closure within the advisory area 8:16:00 19 have a closure within the advisory area 18:16:02 20 because that's where the lion's share of the 8:16:02 20 because that's where the lion's share of the 18:16:04 21 navy works. I have to go get ash -- and I 8:16:04 21 navy works. I have to go get ash -- and I 18:16:10 22 really tried hard to get these -- they're 8:16:10 22 really tried hard to get these -- they're 18:16:14 23 called stratographs. We're doing a lot of 8:16:14 23 called stratographs. We're doing a lot of 18:16:16 24 quarrying in the river to find out where the 8:16:16 24 quarrying in the river to find out where the 18:16:18 25 rest of the ash is or has moved to. And I 8:16:18 25 rest of the ash is or has moved to. And I NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
20 18:16:22 1 didn't have -- I tried to get them ready for 8:16:22 1 didn't have -- I tried to get them ready for 18:16:24 2 this meeting and I got them at 5:30, so I 8:16:24 2 this meeting and I got them at 5:30, so I 18:16:26 3 apologize. There will be a work plan coming 8:16:26 3 apologize. There will be a work plan coming 18:16:28 4 out for the next phase of dredging where we 8:16:28 4 out for the next phase of dredging where we 18:16:30 5 go chase this material. 8:16:30 5 go chase this material. 18:16:32 6 So we have -- right along the right 8:16:32 6 So we have -- right along the right 18:16:38 7 side of this bank, we have ash that we have 8:16:38 7 side of this bank, we have ash that we have 18:16:44 8 to go chase, meaning I have to dredge down 8:16:44 8 to go chase, meaning I have to dredge down 18:16:48 9 there. I have a closure, of course, up to 8:16:48 9 there. I have a closure, of course, up to 18:16:52 10 here, you know, where I showed you that. 8:16:52 10 here, you know, where I showed you that. 18:16:54 11 This is so annoying. Sorry. I have the 8:16:54 11 This is so annoying. Sorry. I have the 18:17:00 12 closure up to there. I'm not quite sure 8:17:00 12 closure up to there. I'm not quite sure 18:17:02 13 whether the closure needs to be extended all 8:17:02 13 whether the closure needs to be extended all 18:17:06 14 the way to where we're working towards mile 8:17:06 14 the way to where we're working towards mile 18:17:08 15 marker zero. There may be some other ways. 8:17:08 15 marker zero. There may be some other ways. 18:17:10 16 I know that there's a fair amount of demand 8:17:10 16 I know that there's a fair amount of demand 18:17:14 17 for folks who want access in here. I'd like 8:17:14 17 for folks who want access in here. I'd like 18:17:20 18 some feedback after the meeting about maybe 8:17:20 18 some feedback after the meeting about maybe 18:17:22 19 there's some alternatives. It's basically 8:17:22 19 there's some alternatives. It's basically 18:17:24 20 I'll have a dredge out there with a dredge 8:17:24 20 I'll have a dredge out there with a dredge 18:17:26 21 pipe and I need a buffer zone of safety 8:17:26 21 pipe and I need a buffer zone of safety 18:17:30 22 around that pipe in order to ensure that no 8:17:30 22 around that pipe in order to ensure that no 18:17:32 23 one gets hurt. So, again, I'm sure that 8:17:32 23 one gets hurt. So, again, I'm sure that 18:17:38 24 will be part of the Q and A after the 8:17:38 24 will be part of the Q and A after the 18:17:40 25 presentation. 8:17:40 25 presentation. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
21 18:17:44 1 We do water quality monitoring. 8:17:44 1 We do water quality monitoring. 18:17:46 2 TVA does it twice a week. TDEC does it 8:17:46 2 TVA does it twice a week. TDEC does it 18:17:48 3 twice a week. There's also storm-based 8:17:48 3 twice a week. There's also storm-based 18:17:52 4 sampling. The trigger is more than half an 8:17:52 4 sampling. The trigger is more than half an 18:17:56 5 inch, more than an inch and/or an increase 8:17:56 5 inch, more than an inch and/or an increase 18:18:00 6 of over 5,000 cubic feet per second of 8:18:00 6 of over 5,000 cubic feet per second of 18:18:04 7 stream flow. I split samples with TVA for 8:18:04 7 stream flow. I split samples with TVA for 18:18:08 8 all storm events. There have been easily 8:18:08 8 all storm events. There have been easily 18:18:12 9 over a dozen storm events and to date in 8:18:12 9 over a dozen storm events and to date in 18:18:16 10 terms of my samples compared to their 8:18:16 10 terms of my samples compared to their 18:18:20 11 samples, we're within 1 or 2 percent of 8:18:20 11 samples, we're within 1 or 2 percent of 18:18:22 12 their sample results, which is actually kind 8:18:22 12 their sample results, which is actually kind 18:18:24 13 of unusual. I don't normally get that kind 8:18:24 13 of unusual. I don't normally get that kind 18:18:28 14 of accuracy in split samples. 8:18:28 14 of accuracy in split samples. 18:18:30 15 Again, to reiterate, TVA and TDEC 8:18:30 15 Again, to reiterate, TVA and TDEC 18:18:36 16 do monitoring that extends all the way down 8:18:36 16 do monitoring that extends all the way down 18:18:40 17 -- I'm going to try this little laser again. 8:18:40 17 -- I'm going to try this little laser again. 18:18:44 18 They extend their monitoring all the way 8:18:44 18 They extend their monitoring all the way 18:18:46 19 down to Tennessee River marker 563 and 8:18:46 19 down to Tennessee River marker 563 and 18:18:50 20 there's a whole lot of monitoring that takes 8:18:50 20 there's a whole lot of monitoring that takes 18:18:52 21 place right around the site proper. Let's 8:18:52 21 place right around the site proper. Let's 18:18:56 22 talk about those results a little bit. 8:18:56 22 talk about those results a little bit. 18:19:00 23 Two of the driving compounds or 8:19:00 23 Two of the driving compounds or 18:19:04 24 metals are arsenic and selenium. Arsenic by 8:19:04 24 metals are arsenic and selenium. Arsenic by 18:19:10 25 far is the best metal to track in terms of 8:19:10 25 far is the best metal to track in terms of NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
22 18:19:18 1 what is the impact of this ash spill in the 8:19:18 1 what is the impact of this ash spill in the 18:19:22 2 river. What you're looking at right there 8:19:22 2 river. What you're looking at right there 18:19:28 3 are -- is a graph on the right side. Can 8:19:28 3 are -- is a graph on the right side. Can 18:19:32 4 folks hear me if the mic moves away from my 8:19:32 4 folks hear me if the mic moves away from my 18:19:36 5 mouth? Okay. I'll do this. So the graph 8:19:36 5 mouth? Okay. I'll do this. So the graph 18:19:46 6 on the right side, the top one is embayment, 8:19:46 6 on the right side, the top one is embayment, 18:19:48 7 the second one is dredge plume, the third 8:19:48 7 the second one is dredge plume, the third 18:19:52 8 one is stilling pond, and the fourth one is 8:19:52 8 one is stilling pond, and the fourth one is 18:19:54 9 plant effluent. Then you have the Emory 8:19:54 9 plant effluent. Then you have the Emory 18:19:56 10 River, the Clinch, and the Tennessee. 8:19:56 10 River, the Clinch, and the Tennessee. 18:19:58 11 Over here, that's what we call the 8:19:58 11 Over here, that's what we call the 18:20:00 12 embayment. That's the plume area, that's 8:20:00 12 embayment. That's the plume area, that's 18:20:04 13 the stilling pond, and that's the plant 8:20:04 13 the stilling pond, and that's the plant 18:20:08 14 effluent. It's obvious when you look at the 8:20:08 14 effluent. It's obvious when you look at the 18:20:10 15 embayment sampling that there's elevated 8:20:10 15 embayment sampling that there's elevated 18:20:14 16 levels of arsenic, but they're below the 8:20:14 16 levels of arsenic, but they're below the 18:20:22 17 Tennessee fish and aquatic life criteria. 8:20:22 17 Tennessee fish and aquatic life criteria. 18:20:24 18 That's what all that green means. The red 8:20:24 18 That's what all that green means. The red 18:20:26 19 line on top is the exceedance concentration 8:20:26 19 line on top is the exceedance concentration 18:20:30 20 which is 150 parts per billion. In the 8:20:30 20 which is 150 parts per billion. In the 18:20:36 21 dredge plume itself, again you'll see 8:20:36 21 dredge plume itself, again you'll see 18:20:38 22 elevated levels of arsenic. Again they are 8:20:38 22 elevated levels of arsenic. Again they are 18:20:42 23 below the 150 parts per billion. But there 8:20:42 23 below the 150 parts per billion. But there 18:20:46 24 are elevated metals next to the -- right in 8:20:46 24 are elevated metals next to the -- right in 18:20:48 25 the spill zone. 8:20:48 25 the spill zone. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
23 18:20:52 1 Now we get to the stilling pond. 8:20:52 1 Now we get to the stilling pond. 18:20:54 2 The way the process works, in case folks 8:20:54 2 The way the process works, in case folks 18:20:58 3 haven't explained it to you before, we 8:20:58 3 haven't explained it to you before, we 18:21:00 4 dredge out of here and we draw up through 8:21:00 4 dredge out of here and we draw up through 18:21:02 5 what's called a rim ditch and a sluice 8:21:02 5 what's called a rim ditch and a sluice 18:21:08 6 trench. And all that really is is a place 8:21:08 6 trench. And all that really is is a place 18:21:10 7 to settle out the ash that we pull out of 8:21:10 7 to settle out the ash that we pull out of 18:21:12 8 the river. Then anything that doesn't 8:21:12 8 the river. Then anything that doesn't 18:21:14 9 settle out here, goes into this pond and 8:21:14 9 settle out here, goes into this pond and 18:21:16 10 then from that pond, it goes into another 8:21:16 10 then from that pond, it goes into another 18:21:18 11 pond and those are polishing steps. 8:21:18 11 pond and those are polishing steps. 18:21:22 12 At the stilling pond, TVA meets 8:21:22 12 At the stilling pond, TVA meets 18:21:26 13 their permit requirements. Their permit 8:21:26 13 their permit requirements. Their permit 18:21:30 14 requirements are primarily based on total 8:21:30 14 requirements are primarily based on total 18:21:32 15 suspended solids. We still do note that 8:21:32 15 suspended solids. We still do note that 18:21:36 16 there are elevated arsenic levels that come 8:21:36 16 there are elevated arsenic levels that come 18:21:40 17 about as part of our operations to remove 8:21:40 17 about as part of our operations to remove 18:21:42 18 the material from the water. You'll see 8:21:42 18 the material from the water. You'll see 18:21:46 19 some elevated levels here in the plant 8:21:46 19 some elevated levels here in the plant 18:21:50 20 effluent. That's right there. This water 8:21:50 20 effluent. That's right there. This water 18:21:52 21 eventually makes its way through here. The 8:21:52 21 eventually makes its way through here. The 18:21:56 22 Emory, the Clinch, and the Tennessee are 8:21:56 22 Emory, the Clinch, and the Tennessee are 18:22:00 23 pretty stable. There's not much evidence of 8:22:00 23 pretty stable. There's not much evidence of 18:22:04 24 elevated concentrations. 8:22:04 24 elevated concentrations. 18:22:12 25 Now, I think Randy noted that peak 8:22:12 25 Now, I think Randy noted that peak NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
24 18:22:16 1 storm sampling events, we -- this was 8:22:16 1 storm sampling events, we -- this was 18:22:20 2 actually before the order -- but we did not 8:22:20 2 actually before the order -- but we did not 18:22:24 3 sample during the May peak storm event and 8:22:24 3 sample during the May peak storm event and 18:22:28 4 we did not sample during the December peak 8:22:28 4 we did not sample during the December peak 18:22:30 5 storm event. Since then, through the CAG's 8:22:30 5 storm event. Since then, through the CAG's 18:22:34 6 encouragement and suggestion, TVA has 8:22:34 6 encouragement and suggestion, TVA has 18:22:36 7 installed a custom built -- I think they 8:22:36 7 installed a custom built -- I think they 18:22:40 8 built it in five weeks -- remote sampler 8:22:40 8 built it in five weeks -- remote sampler 18:22:42 9 that can catch the peaks for these storm 8:22:42 9 that can catch the peaks for these storm 18:22:44 10 events. But all that data that you're 8:22:44 10 events. But all that data that you're 18:22:46 11 looking at, all that data that you're 8:22:46 11 looking at, all that data that you're 18:22:48 12 looking at right there includes many storm 8:22:48 12 looking at right there includes many storm 18:22:50 13 events. 8:22:50 13 events. 18:22:50 14 What we're finding is that 5,000 8:22:50 14 What we're finding is that 5,000 18:22:54 15 CFS, 10,000 CFS, 15,000 CFS -- we haven't 8:22:54 15 CFS, 10,000 CFS, 15,000 CFS -- we haven't 18:23:02 16 had many between 15,000 and 50. But up to 8:23:02 16 had many between 15,000 and 50. But up to 18:23:04 17 15,000 we're seeing minimal migration. 8:23:04 17 15,000 we're seeing minimal migration. 18:23:10 18 Above 15,000 when you start to hit these 50s 8:23:10 18 Above 15,000 when you start to hit these 50s 18:23:12 19 and 60s, I'll show you another slide because 8:23:12 19 and 60s, I'll show you another slide because 18:23:16 20 we do have migration during these events. 8:23:16 20 we do have migration during these events. 18:23:18 21 All right. Selenium. The selenium 8:23:18 21 All right. Selenium. The selenium 18:23:24 22 standard is 5 parts per billion. It's a 8:23:24 22 standard is 5 parts per billion. It's a 18:23:26 23 fish and aquatic life standard. Again 8:23:26 23 fish and aquatic life standard. Again 18:23:28 24 you'll see -- sorry. Again you'll see that 8:23:28 24 you'll see -- sorry. Again you'll see that 18:23:50 25 the green means -- this red line, that's the 8:23:50 25 the green means -- this red line, that's the NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
25 18:23:52 1 standard line. That's 5 parts per billion. 8:23:52 1 standard line. That's 5 parts per billion. 18:23:54 2 You'll see in the plant effluent, the 8:23:54 2 You'll see in the plant effluent, the 18:23:58 3 Tennessee, the Clinch, and the Emory River 8:23:58 3 Tennessee, the Clinch, and the Emory River 18:24:02 4 you meet that criteria. This is water 8:24:02 4 you meet that criteria. This is water 18:24:04 5 quality. But you'll also see that out of 8:24:04 5 quality. But you'll also see that out of 18:24:06 6 the stilling pond and a little bit out of 8:24:06 6 the stilling pond and a little bit out of 18:24:08 7 the dredge plume and certainly out of the 8:24:08 7 the dredge plume and certainly out of the 18:24:12 8 embayment area that selenium is generated 8:24:12 8 embayment area that selenium is generated 18:24:16 9 that exceeds this criteria. 8:24:16 9 that exceeds this criteria. 18:24:18 10 Now, the good news is that this 8:24:18 10 Now, the good news is that this 18:24:22 11 selenium -- this embayment sampling, we're 8:24:22 11 selenium -- this embayment sampling, we're 18:24:26 12 actually towards the tail end of the 8:24:26 12 actually towards the tail end of the 18:24:28 13 embayment cleanup. We probably have 8:24:28 13 embayment cleanup. We probably have 18:24:30 14 another, I believe, 40,000 yards to pull out 8:24:30 14 another, I believe, 40,000 yards to pull out 18:24:34 15 of the embayment. That drainage that comes 8:24:34 15 of the embayment. That drainage that comes 18:24:36 16 out of there is now closed off. We're doing 8:24:36 16 out of there is now closed off. We're doing 18:24:38 17 that as a final polishing dig. You can 8:24:38 17 that as a final polishing dig. You can 18:24:42 18 already see when you blow up this -- when 8:24:42 18 already see when you blow up this -- when 18:24:44 19 you blow up this data and look at it in the 8:24:44 19 you blow up this data and look at it in the 18:24:46 20 longer time line, you can see that as you 8:24:46 20 longer time line, you can see that as you 18:24:50 21 remove the ash, you reduce these metal 8:24:50 21 remove the ash, you reduce these metal 18:24:56 22 concentrations. 8:24:56 22 concentrations. 18:24:56 23 Okay. Let's talk about migration. 8:24:56 23 Okay. Let's talk about migration. 18:25:00 24 What you're looking at, this map was 8:25:00 24 What you're looking at, this map was 18:25:04 25 generated I believe it was the first couple 8:25:04 25 generated I believe it was the first couple NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
26 18:25:06 1 of weeks that EPA and TVA had joined in this 8:25:06 1 of weeks that EPA and TVA had joined in this 18:25:10 2 order. Originally we had estimated -- we 8:25:10 2 order. Originally we had estimated -- we 18:25:14 3 did this with basic information that was 8:25:14 3 did this with basic information that was 18:25:16 4 available, incomplete information. And we 8:25:16 4 available, incomplete information. And we 18:25:20 5 had originally estimated between 75,000 and 8:25:20 5 had originally estimated between 75,000 and 18:25:24 6 200,000 yards of ash had moved during that 8:25:24 6 200,000 yards of ash had moved during that 18:25:26 7 storm event. Since then the corps has been 8:25:26 7 storm event. Since then the corps has been 18:25:30 8 very good -- that's the corps out of 8:25:30 8 very good -- that's the corps out of 18:25:32 9 Mississippi. I'm using a gentleman, another 8:25:32 9 Mississippi. I'm using a gentleman, another 18:25:34 10 national expert who's very familiar with how 8:25:34 10 national expert who's very familiar with how 18:25:38 11 to use this transport model. So his most 8:25:38 11 to use this transport model. So his most 18:25:42 12 recent calculations are between 100,000 and 8:25:42 12 recent calculations are between 100,000 and 18:25:46 13 150,000 yards migrated during the May event 8:25:46 13 150,000 yards migrated during the May event 18:25:48 14 in 2009 and the speed of the Emory was 8:25:48 14 in 2009 and the speed of the Emory was 18:25:54 15 70,000 CFS, cubic feet per second. 8:25:54 15 70,000 CFS, cubic feet per second. 18:25:58 16 Now, the December event we had 8:25:58 16 Now, the December event we had 18:26:00 17 50,000 cubic feet per second. Again, 8:26:00 17 50,000 cubic feet per second. Again, 18:26:04 18 model-wise, we only moved 10 to 20,000 cubic 8:26:04 18 model-wise, we only moved 10 to 20,000 cubic 18:26:10 19 yards. Then I had them working feverishly 8:26:10 19 yards. Then I had them working feverishly 18:26:14 20 today to figure out how much moved during 8:26:14 20 today to figure out how much moved during 18:26:16 21 this event and his model predicts 10 to 8:26:16 21 this event and his model predicts 10 to 18:26:22 22 20,000 cubic yards. So I look at that and I 8:26:22 22 20,000 cubic yards. So I look at that and I 18:26:24 23 say, well, what changed? You know, why did 8:26:24 23 say, well, what changed? You know, why did 18:26:26 24 I move 100 to 150,000 in May and I only 8:26:26 24 I move 100 to 150,000 in May and I only 18:26:28 25 moved 10 to 20 in December and January? And 8:26:28 25 moved 10 to 20 in December and January? And NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
27 18:26:32 1 the main answer is, remember that image that 8:26:32 1 the main answer is, remember that image that 18:26:34 2 I showed you, the blue and yellow image 8:26:34 2 I showed you, the blue and yellow image 18:26:38 3 where the plug was sitting in the river? 8:26:38 3 where the plug was sitting in the river? 18:26:40 4 Once you remove the plug, you significantly 8:26:40 4 Once you remove the plug, you significantly 18:26:44 5 change the force of all this water hitting 8:26:44 5 change the force of all this water hitting 18:26:50 6 the plug and scouring it and then that force 8:26:50 6 the plug and scouring it and then that force 18:26:54 7 just pushes the ash down river because it's 8:26:54 7 just pushes the ash down river because it's 18:26:58 8 hit resistance. 8:26:58 8 hit resistance. 18:26:58 9 Well, now the channel is open. 8:26:58 9 Well, now the channel is open. 18:27:00 10 We're now into the last phase of the 8:27:00 10 We're now into the last phase of the 18:27:04 11 time-critical dredging where we're getting 8:27:04 11 time-critical dredging where we're getting 18:27:08 12 -- we're really not dealing with the plug 8:27:08 12 -- we're really not dealing with the plug 18:27:10 13 anymore. So once you've removed that plug, 8:27:10 13 anymore. So once you've removed that plug, 18:27:12 14 you change the dynamics of how much force is 8:27:12 14 you change the dynamics of how much force is 18:27:16 15 present to push that ash down river. So 8:27:16 15 present to push that ash down river. So 18:27:18 16 that's why those numbers have changed so 8:27:18 16 that's why those numbers have changed so 18:27:20 17 dramatically. 10 to 20 versus 100 to 8:27:20 17 dramatically. 10 to 20 versus 100 to 18:27:26 18 150,000. So, yes, we have migration at 8:27:26 18 150,000. So, yes, we have migration at 18:27:32 19 these high events. We don't appear to have 8:27:32 19 these high events. We don't appear to have 18:27:32 20 substantial migration, 15,000 CFS and below. 8:27:32 20 substantial migration, 15,000 CFS and below. 18:27:38 21 But when you get up to these numbers, there 8:27:38 21 But when you get up to these numbers, there 18:27:40 22 is migration. As you remove that ash, 8:27:40 22 is migration. As you remove that ash, 18:27:42 23 there's less migration. As you remove that 8:27:42 23 there's less migration. As you remove that 18:27:46 24 plug, you have an order of magnitude 8:27:46 24 plug, you have an order of magnitude 18:27:48 25 difference in migration threat from a pretty 8:27:48 25 difference in migration threat from a pretty NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
28 18:27:52 1 close to the May event storm -- the May 8:27:52 1 close to the May event storm -- the May 18:27:56 2 storm event. 8:27:56 2 storm event. 18:27:58 3 Now, I caution everybody. Models 8:27:58 3 Now, I caution everybody. Models 18:28:00 4 are nice. They're estimates. This map that 8:28:00 4 are nice. They're estimates. This map that 18:28:06 5 you're looking at, that's an estimate. Our 8:28:06 5 you're looking at, that's an estimate. Our 18:28:08 6 original 75 to 200,000 estimate, that was an 8:28:08 6 original 75 to 200,000 estimate, that was an 18:28:12 7 estimate. All this data never arrives at a 8:28:12 7 estimate. All this data never arrives at a 18:28:18 8 final answer where, you know, I could call 8:28:18 8 final answer where, you know, I could call 18:28:22 9 my mother up and say, hey, you know, mom, 8:28:22 9 my mother up and say, hey, you know, mom, 18:28:26 10 this is the answer. They're all suspect to 8:28:26 10 this is the answer. They're all suspect to 18:28:28 11 their own variability. 8:28:28 11 their own variability. 18:28:30 12 So I look at this and I look at it 8:28:30 12 So I look at this and I look at it 18:28:32 13 in terms of a more macro concept of threat 8:28:32 13 in terms of a more macro concept of threat 18:28:38 14 of migration is diminishing. That's the 8:28:38 14 of migration is diminishing. That's the 18:28:40 15 number one point I take from this, is that 8:28:40 15 number one point I take from this, is that 18:28:42 16 I'm still migrating during big storms, but 8:28:42 16 I'm still migrating during big storms, but 18:28:46 17 threat of migration has diminished by an 8:28:46 17 threat of migration has diminished by an 18:28:50 18 order of magnitude. 8:28:50 18 order of magnitude. 18:28:52 19 Next slide. The primary threat 8:28:52 19 Next slide. The primary threat 18:28:54 20 here in terms of water is people drinking 8:28:54 20 here in terms of water is people drinking 18:29:00 21 contaminated water. That's not happening. 8:29:00 21 contaminated water. That's not happening. 18:29:02 22 This facility gets sampled every day with 8:29:02 22 This facility gets sampled every day with 18:29:04 23 oversight from TDEC and the treated water 8:29:04 23 oversight from TDEC and the treated water 18:29:06 24 has met what are called MCLs, maximum 8:29:06 24 has met what are called MCLs, maximum 18:29:12 25 contaminant levels. And I believe -- and 8:29:12 25 contaminant levels. And I believe -- and NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
29 18:29:16 1 correct me if I'm wrong, Barbara -- but the 8:29:16 1 correct me if I'm wrong, Barbara -- but the 18:29:18 2 untreated water also met MCLs going into the 8:29:18 2 untreated water also met MCLs going into the 18:29:22 3 facility. But Barbara is my counterpart 8:29:22 3 facility. But Barbara is my counterpart 18:29:24 4 with TDEC. That's correct. 8:29:24 4 with TDEC. That's correct. 18:29:32 5 All right. So what does this mean? 8:29:32 5 All right. So what does this mean? 18:29:34 6 Water adjacent to the site has elevated 8:29:34 6 Water adjacent to the site has elevated 18:29:36 7 metals. Migration does occur at the highest 8:29:36 7 metals. Migration does occur at the highest 18:29:38 8 flow events. I already talked about those 8:29:38 8 flow events. I already talked about those 18:29:38 9 numbers. I've already talked about at the 8:29:38 9 numbers. I've already talked about at the 18:29:42 10 request of the CAG, TVA has installed this 8:29:42 10 request of the CAG, TVA has installed this 18:29:44 11 custom built device. Y'all see contaminant 8:29:44 11 custom built device. Y'all see contaminant 18:29:48 12 data at -- that's mile marker point 5; 8:29:48 12 data at -- that's mile marker point 5; 18:29:54 13 right? And it's a depth that -- Steve, you 8:29:54 13 right? And it's a depth that -- Steve, you 18:29:54 14 asked me about this I think a week ago. 8:29:54 14 asked me about this I think a week ago. 18:29:58 15 It's a depth of 15 feet, that sampling 8:29:58 15 It's a depth of 15 feet, that sampling 18:30:04 16 station. Is that correct? I think they've 8:30:04 16 station. Is that correct? I think they've 18:30:10 17 -- this event will be their third or fourth 8:30:10 17 -- this event will be their third or fourth 18:30:12 18 event. Third. Again, drinking water 8:30:12 18 event. Third. Again, drinking water 18:30:18 19 continues to meet the criteria. 8:30:18 19 continues to meet the criteria. 18:30:20 20 All right. We did a -- we have 8:30:20 20 All right. We did a -- we have 18:30:24 21 done several audits on site. I've done 8:30:24 21 done several audits on site. I've done 18:30:26 22 health and safety audits, again with 8:30:26 22 health and safety audits, again with 18:30:28 23 national experts. We've already had two 8:30:28 23 national experts. We've already had two 18:30:30 24 prior air data audits. This time we did a 8:30:30 24 prior air data audits. This time we did a 18:30:34 25 multimedia audit where we looked at all 8:30:34 25 multimedia audit where we looked at all NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
30 18:30:38 1 media, air, sediment, soil, water, biota. 8:30:38 1 media, air, sediment, soil, water, biota. 18:30:44 2 For soil, sediment, water and biota, no 8:30:44 2 For soil, sediment, water and biota, no 18:30:44 3 significant deficiencies. 8:30:44 3 significant deficiencies. 18:30:46 4 For air, all of the air data was 8:30:46 4 For air, all of the air data was 18:30:52 5 good except for this component. These are 8:30:52 5 good except for this component. These are 18:30:56 6 PM 2.5 and PM 10 particulate filter media. 8:30:56 6 PM 2.5 and PM 10 particulate filter media. 18:31:04 7 That's a station. Looks like about that 8:31:04 7 That's a station. Looks like about that 18:31:06 8 except it's aluminum, sucks air, sucks air 8:31:06 8 except it's aluminum, sucks air, sucks air 18:31:08 9 through a filter media. We have five 8:31:08 9 through a filter media. We have five 18:31:10 10 primary stations. I'll walk you through 8:31:10 10 primary stations. I'll walk you through 18:31:12 11 this. 8:31:12 11 this. 18:31:18 12 Next slide. That's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 8:31:18 12 Next slide. That's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 18:31:20 13 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. This is the Harriman 8:31:20 13 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. This is the Harriman 18:31:26 14 compliance station. That's part of the 8:31:26 14 compliance station. That's part of the 18:31:30 15 Clean Air Act. I don't really depend on 8:31:30 15 Clean Air Act. I don't really depend on 18:31:32 16 this very much because it's kind of removed 8:31:32 16 this very much because it's kind of removed 18:31:34 17 from the site. It's good for larger, 8:31:34 17 from the site. It's good for larger, 18:31:36 18 regional trends, but it's really not the 8:31:36 18 regional trends, but it's really not the 18:31:38 19 best tool for managing what's going on on 8:31:38 19 best tool for managing what's going on on 18:31:42 20 the site. Each one of these stations does 8:31:42 20 the site. Each one of these stations does 18:31:44 21 some type of filter-based media. From 8:31:44 21 some type of filter-based media. From 18:31:48 22 September to January, that data did not meet 8:31:48 22 September to January, that data did not meet 18:31:52 23 quality assurance. In Agency speak, in 8:31:52 23 quality assurance. In Agency speak, in 18:32:00 24 Government speak, we do what's called a 8:32:00 24 Government speak, we do what's called a 18:32:02 25 quality assurance project plan. It's pretty 8:32:02 25 quality assurance project plan. It's pretty NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
31 18:32:06 1 rigid. It's pretty disciplined. Data, for 8:32:06 1 rigid. It's pretty disciplined. Data, for 18:32:16 2 whatever reason, whether it's done with the 8:32:16 2 whatever reason, whether it's done with the 18:32:16 3 wrong method or whether it's collected 8:32:16 3 wrong method or whether it's collected 18:32:20 4 improperly or if your sampling plan doesn't 8:32:20 4 improperly or if your sampling plan doesn't 18:32:22 5 make sense in terms of the question you're 8:32:22 5 make sense in terms of the question you're 18:32:24 6 trying to answer, that data will get 8:32:24 6 trying to answer, that data will get 18:32:28 7 rejected, meaning it won't enter into the 8:32:28 7 rejected, meaning it won't enter into the 18:32:30 8 environmental database for decision making. 8:32:30 8 environmental database for decision making. 18:32:34 9 This data -- and so that's that 8:32:34 9 This data -- and so that's that 18:32:36 10 bullet right there. This data from these 8:32:36 10 bullet right there. This data from these 18:32:38 11 filter-based samples does not meet that 8:32:38 11 filter-based samples does not meet that 18:32:42 12 criteria. It didn't meet QA. So we're not 8:32:42 12 criteria. It didn't meet QA. So we're not 18:32:46 13 using that data for this site. However, 8:32:46 13 using that data for this site. However, 18:32:50 14 other data did meet criteria, this quality 8:32:50 14 other data did meet criteria, this quality 18:32:54 15 assured criteria. This location right here, 8:32:54 15 assured criteria. This location right here, 18:32:56 16 this station, that's the most important 8:32:56 16 this station, that's the most important 18:32:58 17 station on the site. That's downwind of the 8:32:58 17 station on the site. That's downwind of the 18:33:02 18 prevailing winds. It's loaded with a 8:33:02 18 prevailing winds. It's loaded with a 18:33:04 19 variety of different sampling. You have a 8:33:04 19 variety of different sampling. You have a 18:33:08 20 continuous monitor for PM 10. That's 8:33:08 20 continuous monitor for PM 10. That's 18:33:12 21 particulate matter 10, bigger sized 8:33:12 21 particulate matter 10, bigger sized 18:33:16 22 particles. You have a continuous monitor 8:33:16 22 particles. You have a continuous monitor 18:33:16 23 for PM 2.5. That's the smaller piece. 8:33:16 23 for PM 2.5. That's the smaller piece. 18:33:20 24 That's the particles that go deeper into 8:33:20 24 That's the particles that go deeper into 18:33:22 25 your lungs. That's also silica monitoring 8:33:22 25 your lungs. That's also silica monitoring NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
32 18:33:26 1 that takes place there, there's metals 8:33:26 1 that takes place there, there's metals 18:33:26 2 monitoring that takes place there. And what 8:33:26 2 monitoring that takes place there. And what 18:33:32 3 else? That's also where TDEC has their own 8:33:32 3 else? That's also where TDEC has their own 18:33:36 4 station. That's the TDEC station. 8:33:36 4 station. That's the TDEC station. 18:33:40 5 All that data that I just 8:33:40 5 All that data that I just 18:33:42 6 described, TEOMs, the metals, they met 8:33:42 6 described, TEOMs, the metals, they met 18:33:48 7 quality assurance. The data that did not 8:33:48 7 quality assurance. The data that did not 18:33:52 8 meet it from September until January -- 8:33:52 8 meet it from September until January -- 18:33:54 9 again, I'm reiterating it -- is this filter- 8:33:54 9 again, I'm reiterating it -- is this filter- 18:33:56 10 based media that's pulled from these -- that 8:33:56 10 based media that's pulled from these -- that 18:33:58 11 pulls not only from this station, but from 8:33:58 11 pulls not only from this station, but from 18:34:00 12 this station, this station, this station, 8:34:00 12 this station, this station, this station, 18:34:02 13 and this station. I also have other data 8:34:02 13 and this station. I also have other data 18:34:06 14 that meet QA. There is -- and I'll go 8:34:06 14 that meet QA. There is -- and I'll go 18:34:10 15 through this with you. 8:34:10 15 through this with you. 18:34:14 16 The first question that comes to my 8:34:14 16 The first question that comes to my 18:34:18 17 mind is, oh, my goodness, I've got data here 8:34:18 17 mind is, oh, my goodness, I've got data here 18:34:24 18 from September to January where people were 8:34:24 18 from September to January where people were 18:34:26 19 put at risk. Similar -- you know, a similar 8:34:26 19 put at risk. Similar -- you know, a similar 18:34:30 20 reaction like anybody else. And so the 8:34:30 20 reaction like anybody else. And so the 18:34:34 21 first thing I do is I go and I look at what 8:34:34 21 first thing I do is I go and I look at what 18:34:40 22 do my other systems tell me? This is -- 8:34:40 22 do my other systems tell me? This is -- 18:34:44 23 there's backup systems here. It's not just 8:34:44 23 there's backup systems here. It's not just 18:34:46 24 one system that we depend on. This is too 8:34:46 24 one system that we depend on. This is too 18:34:50 25 important an issue to depend on one system. 8:34:50 25 important an issue to depend on one system. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
33 18:34:52 1 When you look at those systems, 8:34:52 1 When you look at those systems, 18:34:54 2 those other backup systems, the Agency is 8:34:54 2 those other backup systems, the Agency is 18:34:56 3 confident that the public was not put at 8:34:56 3 confident that the public was not put at 18:34:58 4 risk during this period, and I'll walk you 8:34:58 4 risk during this period, and I'll walk you 18:35:00 5 through that. I'll show you what these 8:35:00 5 through that. I'll show you what these 18:35:02 6 other systems show. Science speak, they 8:35:02 6 other systems show. Science speak, they 18:35:04 7 call it redundant systems. In English 8:35:04 7 call it redundant systems. In English 18:35:08 8 that's just, you know, backup systems. 8:35:08 8 that's just, you know, backup systems. 18:35:12 9 The strongest weight of evidence 8:35:12 9 The strongest weight of evidence 18:35:16 10 that makes the Agency confident that the 8:35:16 10 that makes the Agency confident that the 18:35:18 11 public was not put at risk are these TEOMs. 8:35:18 11 public was not put at risk are these TEOMs. 18:35:24 12 A TEOM is nothing more than a fancy word for 8:35:24 12 A TEOM is nothing more than a fancy word for 18:35:26 13 continuous monitor. It monitors all the 8:35:26 13 continuous monitor. It monitors all the 18:35:28 14 time, all on its own. Nobody touches it, 8:35:28 14 time, all on its own. Nobody touches it, 18:35:30 15 nobody deals with it, and it records 8:35:30 15 nobody deals with it, and it records 18:35:32 16 information. I believe it's every -- it's 8:35:32 16 information. I believe it's every -- it's 18:35:36 17 on a set maintenance pattern where someone 8:35:36 17 on a set maintenance pattern where someone 18:35:38 18 has to go check out to make sure that it's 8:35:38 18 has to go check out to make sure that it's 18:35:42 19 calibrated correctly, that there's no 8:35:42 19 calibrated correctly, that there's no 18:35:44 20 imminent failure with any of the parts. 8:35:44 20 imminent failure with any of the parts. 18:35:48 21 And it's located in the worst case 8:35:48 21 And it's located in the worst case 18:35:52 22 location. PS-07. PS-07 is the worst case 8:35:52 22 location. PS-07. PS-07 is the worst case 18:35:58 23 because that's downwind of the prevailing 8:35:58 23 because that's downwind of the prevailing 18:36:00 24 winds as close as possible to the site. We 8:36:00 24 winds as close as possible to the site. We 18:36:02 25 put it there for a reason. We put it there 8:36:02 25 put it there for a reason. We put it there NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
34 18:36:04 1 because we knew that that's the worst case 8:36:04 1 because we knew that that's the worst case 18:36:08 2 place to put this in order to pick up on any 8:36:08 2 place to put this in order to pick up on any 18:36:10 3 problems that come from future emissions. 8:36:10 3 problems that come from future emissions. 18:36:16 4 What we have found over the past 8:36:16 4 What we have found over the past 18:36:18 5 year is that the concentrations that were 8:36:18 5 year is that the concentrations that were 18:36:22 6 picked up by not only the TEOM -- remember, 8:36:22 6 picked up by not only the TEOM -- remember, 18:36:26 7 I said from September to January that data 8:36:26 7 I said from September to January that data 18:36:28 8 was rejected from the particulate 8:36:28 8 was rejected from the particulate 18:36:30 9 monitors -- but from January to September, 8:36:30 9 monitors -- but from January to September, 18:36:34 10 those filter-based particulate monitors, 8:36:34 10 those filter-based particulate monitors, 18:36:40 11 that data is quality assured. That's good 8:36:40 11 that data is quality assured. That's good 18:36:40 12 data. So I can actually compare. And the 8:36:40 12 data. So I can actually compare. And the 18:36:44 13 TEOMs ran at the same time, so I can 8:36:44 13 TEOMs ran at the same time, so I can 18:36:44 14 actually compare, well, how well does the 8:36:44 14 actually compare, well, how well does the 18:36:46 15 TEOM track this lab-based data that meets 8:36:46 15 TEOM track this lab-based data that meets 18:36:52 16 quality assurance. So now I have to look to 8:36:52 16 quality assurance. So now I have to look to 18:36:54 17 see whether this, again, backup system 8:36:54 17 see whether this, again, backup system 18:36:58 18 tracks well, what this QA data did from 8:36:58 18 tracks well, what this QA data did from 18:37:02 19 January to September. 8:37:02 19 January to September. 18:37:06 20 So let's look -- and they tracked 8:37:06 20 So let's look -- and they tracked 18:37:08 21 it well, so let's look at a few graphs. 8:37:08 21 it well, so let's look at a few graphs. 18:37:12 22 Okay. Up in the top is a red line. That's 8:37:12 22 Okay. Up in the top is a red line. That's 18:37:18 23 150 micrograms per cubic meter. That's the 8:37:18 23 150 micrograms per cubic meter. That's the 18:37:24 24 national ambient air quality standard. On 8:37:24 24 national ambient air quality standard. On 18:37:26 25 this site, we use 120 -- excuse me -- 112 as 8:37:26 25 this site, we use 120 -- excuse me -- 112 as NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
35 18:37:34 1 our action level. That's when project 8:37:34 1 our action level. That's when project 18:37:36 2 management steps back and says, "Hey, what 8:37:36 2 management steps back and says, "Hey, what 18:37:38 3 are we doing wrong here? We're approaching 8:37:38 3 are we doing wrong here? We're approaching 18:37:40 4 the 150." These are weekly averages. The 8:37:40 4 the 150." These are weekly averages. The 18:37:44 5 dailies are available if anybody wants them. 8:37:44 5 dailies are available if anybody wants them. 18:37:46 6 The CAG requested it last night and I 8:37:46 6 The CAG requested it last night and I 18:37:48 7 believe we have the CD ready. 8:37:48 7 believe we have the CD ready. 18:37:52 8 What you see here is -- the first 8:37:52 8 What you see here is -- the first 18:37:56 9 thing that is most important to see is look 8:37:56 9 thing that is most important to see is look 18:38:02 10 how low this number is, 20. This is PM 10. 8:38:02 10 how low this number is, 20. This is PM 10. 18:38:06 11 Again, my action is 112 and 150 is the NAAQS 8:38:06 11 Again, my action is 112 and 150 is the NAAQS 18:38:12 12 standard, National Ambient Air Quality 8:38:12 12 standard, National Ambient Air Quality 18:38:16 13 Standard. The second thing to see is all 8:38:16 13 Standard. The second thing to see is all 18:38:18 14 this data that's quality data, you'll see 8:38:18 14 this data that's quality data, you'll see 18:38:20 15 here in September the graph does not include 8:38:20 15 here in September the graph does not include 18:38:24 16 that filter-based media. It doesn't include 8:38:24 16 that filter-based media. It doesn't include 18:38:26 17 it from here to here. But you'll see that 8:38:26 17 it from here to here. But you'll see that 18:38:30 18 this TEOM at PS -- at Station 7, the worst 8:38:30 18 this TEOM at PS -- at Station 7, the worst 18:38:32 19 case station, it tracks the general air 8:38:32 19 case station, it tracks the general air 18:38:34 20 quality for the site fairly well. 8:38:34 20 quality for the site fairly well. 18:38:38 21 So if everything broke down on the 8:38:38 21 So if everything broke down on the 18:38:40 22 site except for these two TEOMs, there's a 8:38:40 22 site except for these two TEOMs, there's a 18:38:44 23 second one for 2.5, if every other system 8:38:44 23 second one for 2.5, if every other system 18:38:46 24 we're using for air monitoring broke down, I 8:38:46 24 we're using for air monitoring broke down, I 18:38:50 25 could stand here and tell you that the 8:38:50 25 could stand here and tell you that the NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
36 18:38:52 1 public was protected during this period. 8:38:52 1 public was protected during this period. 18:38:56 2 Fund lead jobs are often run very cost 8:38:56 2 Fund lead jobs are often run very cost 18:39:04 3 effectively. I don't have the luxury of 8:39:04 3 effectively. I don't have the luxury of 18:39:06 4 redundant systems. If I had to do a fund 8:39:06 4 redundant systems. If I had to do a fund 18:39:10 5 lead job, meaning one that the taxpayer paid 8:39:10 5 lead job, meaning one that the taxpayer paid 18:39:12 6 for, this TEOM would suffice at Station 7 8:39:12 6 for, this TEOM would suffice at Station 7 18:39:18 7 for me doing the fund lead job to give the 8:39:18 7 for me doing the fund lead job to give the 18:39:20 8 Agency confidence that the public was not 8:39:20 8 Agency confidence that the public was not 18:39:24 9 put at risk. 8:39:24 9 put at risk. 18:39:30 10 Next slide. That's 2.5. Remember 8:39:30 10 Next slide. That's 2.5. Remember 18:39:34 11 I told you there's 10 and there's 2.5. So, 8:39:34 11 I told you there's 10 and there's 2.5. So, 18:39:38 12 again, from here to here that's all 8:39:38 12 again, from here to here that's all 18:39:42 13 particulate filter-based media samples, all 8:39:42 13 particulate filter-based media samples, all 18:39:44 14 good QA data. The 2.5 tracks this well -- 8:39:44 14 good QA data. The 2.5 tracks this well -- 18:39:50 15 as well. And so that's the second thing you 8:39:50 15 as well. And so that's the second thing you 18:39:54 16 should look at. The first thing you should 8:39:54 16 should look at. The first thing you should 18:39:56 17 look at is 35 is the National Ambient Air 8:39:56 17 look at is 35 is the National Ambient Air 18:40:02 18 Quality criteria, 25 is the site trigger. 8:40:02 18 Quality criteria, 25 is the site trigger. 18:40:04 19 Again, we don't approach that number during 8:40:04 19 Again, we don't approach that number during 18:40:06 20 any period of time and even during the 8:40:06 20 any period of time and even during the 18:40:08 21 summer. Yeah, we had a slight elevation 8:40:08 21 summer. Yeah, we had a slight elevation 18:40:10 22 during the summer, but we didn't approach 8:40:10 22 during the summer, but we didn't approach 18:40:14 23 this and we didn't approach this. 8:40:14 23 this and we didn't approach this. 18:40:20 24 Additional weights of evidence. 8:40:20 24 Additional weights of evidence. 18:40:24 25 We've got guys that ride around in a truck. 8:40:24 25 We've got guys that ride around in a truck. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
37 18:40:26 1 They sample PM 10 measurements every two 8:40:26 1 They sample PM 10 measurements every two 18:40:30 2 minutes. When they pull a sample, it takes 8:40:30 2 minutes. When they pull a sample, it takes 18:40:32 3 two minutes to pull an air sample. Then 8:40:32 3 two minutes to pull an air sample. Then 18:40:36 4 they drive to another location and they pull 8:40:36 4 they drive to another location and they pull 18:40:38 5 an air sample and it takes two minutes. We 8:40:38 5 an air sample and it takes two minutes. We 18:40:40 6 have every day -- between 2 and 400 of those 8:40:40 6 have every day -- between 2 and 400 of those 18:40:44 7 samples pulled every day. Over a period of 8:40:44 7 samples pulled every day. Over a period of 18:40:46 8 a week, over a period of months, you're then 8:40:46 8 a week, over a period of months, you're then 18:40:50 9 looking at thousands of PM 10 samples around 8:40:50 9 looking at thousands of PM 10 samples around 18:40:54 10 the site. And I guess these guys figure out 8:40:54 10 the site. And I guess these guys figure out 18:41:00 11 a path that they're assigned to work, a 8:41:00 11 a path that they're assigned to work, a 18:41:04 12 roadway path. 8:41:04 12 roadway path. 18:41:08 13 Second. Another line of evidence 8:41:08 13 Second. Another line of evidence 18:41:08 14 is that we have industrial hygiene samples 8:41:08 14 is that we have industrial hygiene samples 18:41:14 15 taken for workers. During this period of 8:41:14 15 taken for workers. During this period of 18:41:16 16 time from September until January, we had 8:41:16 16 time from September until January, we had 18:41:18 17 over 150 of them. They measure -- my 8:41:18 17 over 150 of them. They measure -- my 18:41:24 18 trigger level for workers is -- okay, 8:41:24 18 trigger level for workers is -- okay, 18:41:30 19 everybody knows what OSHA is. The trigger 8:41:30 19 everybody knows what OSHA is. The trigger 18:41:32 20 level that's used on the site for worker 8:41:32 20 level that's used on the site for worker 18:41:36 21 protection is one-fourth of the Tennessee 8:41:36 21 protection is one-fourth of the Tennessee 18:41:40 22 OSHA level, one-fourth. That's 25 8:41:40 22 OSHA level, one-fourth. That's 25 18:41:42 23 micrograms per cubic meter. 8:41:42 23 micrograms per cubic meter. 18:41:46 24 Then the last line of evidence that 8:41:46 24 Then the last line of evidence that 18:41:50 25 gives the Agency some common sense that, 8:41:50 25 gives the Agency some common sense that, NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
38 18:41:52 1 hey, what was the weather like? It rained 8:41:52 1 hey, what was the weather like? It rained 18:41:56 2 40 percent of the time is -- I think I read 8:41:56 2 40 percent of the time is -- I think I read 18:41:58 3 -- I opened up the paper this weekend and 8:41:58 3 -- I opened up the paper this weekend and 18:42:00 4 the Department of Agriculture named not this 8:42:00 4 the Department of Agriculture named not this 18:42:02 5 county but Anderson County and some of the 8:42:02 5 county but Anderson County and some of the 18:42:06 6 neighboring counties in East Tennessee 8:42:06 6 neighboring counties in East Tennessee 18:42:08 7 disaster areas because of the amount of 8:42:08 7 disaster areas because of the amount of 18:42:10 8 rain. So at a minimum, as conservative as 8:42:10 8 rain. So at a minimum, as conservative as 18:42:14 9 possible, half the amount of time there was 8:42:14 9 possible, half the amount of time there was 18:42:16 10 too much moisture content in this material 8:42:16 10 too much moisture content in this material 18:42:18 11 for it to be a fugitive emissions risk. So 8:42:18 11 for it to be a fugitive emissions risk. So 18:42:22 12 we're really only talking about the other 8:42:22 12 we're really only talking about the other 18:42:24 13 half of the time. 8:42:24 13 half of the time. 18:42:26 14 All right. All those black dots, 8:42:26 14 All right. All those black dots, 18:42:32 15 that's two weeks' worth of PM 10 sampling. 8:42:32 15 that's two weeks' worth of PM 10 sampling. 18:42:36 16 I'm just going to flip you through these 8:42:36 16 I'm just going to flip you through these 18:42:38 17 pretty quickly. That's the site itself. 8:42:38 17 pretty quickly. That's the site itself. 18:42:40 18 All those purple dots are the locations of 8:42:40 18 All those purple dots are the locations of 18:42:44 19 the 150 personal monitoring samples that are 8:42:44 19 the 150 personal monitoring samples that are 18:42:46 20 taken over an eight-hour period for the 8:42:46 20 taken over an eight-hour period for the 18:42:48 21 workers. And we do that to make sure that 8:42:48 21 workers. And we do that to make sure that 18:42:50 22 the workers' health is protected, especially 8:42:50 22 the workers' health is protected, especially 18:42:54 23 from an inhalation point of view. And to 8:42:54 23 from an inhalation point of view. And to 18:42:58 24 date I believe there's only been one sample, 8:42:58 24 date I believe there's only been one sample, 18:43:02 25 not just out of 150, but hundreds of samples 8:43:02 25 not just out of 150, but hundreds of samples NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
39 18:43:06 1 that even came close to this 25 microgram 8:43:06 1 that even came close to this 25 microgram 18:43:10 2 per cubic meter trigger. Another strong 8:43:10 2 per cubic meter trigger. Another strong 18:43:14 3 level of confidence. 8:43:14 3 level of confidence. 18:43:16 4 Okay. So you can ignore that slide 8:43:16 4 Okay. So you can ignore that slide 18:43:20 5 for a second. The redundant or the backup 8:43:20 5 for a second. The redundant or the backup 18:43:28 6 nature of the system, of the perimeter air 8:43:28 6 nature of the system, of the perimeter air 18:43:30 7 monitoring system, gives the Agency 8:43:30 7 monitoring system, gives the Agency 18:43:32 8 confidence that the public was not put at 8:43:32 8 confidence that the public was not put at 18:43:34 9 risk. I am very confident about that and I 8:43:34 9 risk. I am very confident about that and I 18:43:38 10 feel comfortable with that. What I'm not 8:43:38 10 feel comfortable with that. What I'm not 18:43:40 11 happy about is that this problem took four 8:43:40 11 happy about is that this problem took four 18:43:44 12 months to figure out. In terms of project 8:43:44 12 months to figure out. In terms of project 18:43:48 13 management, that is an unacceptable period 8:43:48 13 management, that is an unacceptable period 18:43:50 14 of time to discover a problem with something 8:43:50 14 of time to discover a problem with something 18:43:52 15 that you're depending on. Thankfully we 8:43:52 15 that you're depending on. Thankfully we 18:43:56 16 have redundant systems. 8:43:56 16 have redundant systems. 18:44:00 17 There needs to be corrective 8:44:00 17 There needs to be corrective 18:44:02 18 actions for that four-month period of time. 8:44:02 18 actions for that four-month period of time. 18:44:06 19 That's just not how you operate. What we 8:44:06 19 That's just not how you operate. What we 18:44:10 20 came about with this was a series of 8:44:10 20 came about with this was a series of 18:44:14 21 corrective actions that get to the root of 8:44:14 21 corrective actions that get to the root of 18:44:16 22 the problem so that we see these data 8:44:16 22 the problem so that we see these data 18:44:20 23 problems sooner and I want to reduce that 8:44:20 23 problems sooner and I want to reduce that 18:44:22 24 down to under 30 days. Four months is just 8:44:22 24 down to under 30 days. Four months is just 18:44:26 25 -- I don't even want to talk about how 8:44:26 25 -- I don't even want to talk about how NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
40 18:44:28 1 unacceptable that is. I want to reduce that 8:44:28 1 unacceptable that is. I want to reduce that 18:44:30 2 down to under 30 days. 8:44:30 2 down to under 30 days. 18:44:34 3 The first thing that TVA is 8:44:34 3 The first thing that TVA is 18:44:36 4 currently conducting is an investigative 8:44:36 4 currently conducting is an investigative 18:44:40 5 report. The fancy language is root cause 8:44:40 5 report. The fancy language is root cause 18:44:44 6 analysis. They'll go through to figure out 8:44:44 6 analysis. They'll go through to figure out 18:44:48 7 how exactly this happened. Fundamentally 8:44:48 7 how exactly this happened. Fundamentally 18:44:50 8 the lab performed the wrong method. 8:44:50 8 the lab performed the wrong method. 18:44:52 9 That's the fundamental problem, so the 8:44:52 9 That's the fundamental problem, so the 18:44:54 10 investigative report will figure out how 8:44:54 10 investigative report will figure out how 18:44:58 11 that happened. My audit staff will begin to 8:44:58 11 that happened. My audit staff will begin to 18:45:02 12 participate in -- TVA has an internal QA 8:45:02 12 participate in -- TVA has an internal QA 18:45:08 13 process that their inspector general also 8:45:08 13 process that their inspector general also 18:45:10 14 audits. Well, but my audit folks are going 8:45:10 14 audits. Well, but my audit folks are going 18:45:14 15 to participate in those weekly conference 8:45:14 15 to participate in those weekly conference 18:45:16 16 calls. Something is not right to me that 8:45:16 16 calls. Something is not right to me that 18:45:18 17 you have a weekly conference call and you 8:45:18 17 you have a weekly conference call and you 18:45:20 18 don't pick up on this problem sooner than 8:45:20 18 don't pick up on this problem sooner than 18:45:22 19 three months, four months. 8:45:22 19 three months, four months. 18:45:26 20 EPA's audit staff will actually 8:45:26 20 EPA's audit staff will actually 18:45:30 21 go to some of these labs and conduct an 8:45:30 21 go to some of these labs and conduct an 18:45:34 22 in-the-field audit for these labs. They 8:45:34 22 in-the-field audit for these labs. They 18:45:38 23 will continue to do periodic independent 8:45:38 23 will continue to do periodic independent 18:45:40 24 sampling. As I said, they've already done 8:45:40 24 sampling. As I said, they've already done 18:45:44 25 two audits and I will add to that by having 8:45:44 25 two audits and I will add to that by having NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
41 18:45:48 1 contractors work with my auditors that 8:45:48 1 contractors work with my auditors that 18:45:52 2 increase the frequency of those periodic 8:45:52 2 increase the frequency of those periodic 18:45:54 3 samples. I haven't figured out whether to 8:45:54 3 samples. I haven't figured out whether to 18:45:58 4 do split samples or collocated samples yet. 8:45:58 4 do split samples or collocated samples yet. 18:46:00 5 I'm still trying to work out the logistics 8:46:00 5 I'm still trying to work out the logistics 18:46:02 6 of that. 8:46:02 6 of that. 18:46:02 7 This item right here, that's really 8:46:02 7 This item right here, that's really 18:46:08 8 the meat of the matter. On a normal project 8:46:08 8 the meat of the matter. On a normal project 18:46:14 9 you do this thing called data validation and 8:46:14 9 you do this thing called data validation and 18:46:18 10 all that really means is you get data back 8:46:18 10 all that really means is you get data back 18:46:18 11 from the lab and the lab has its own QA/QC. 8:46:18 11 from the lab and the lab has its own QA/QC. 18:46:22 12 And good QA is between 20 and 30 percent of 8:46:22 12 And good QA is between 20 and 30 percent of 18:46:26 13 all raw data, you review 20 to 30 percent of 8:46:26 13 all raw data, you review 20 to 30 percent of 18:46:30 14 all raw data. Well, TVA reviews 100 percent 8:46:30 14 all raw data. Well, TVA reviews 100 percent 18:46:34 15 of their raw data. My sense is that that's 8:46:34 15 of their raw data. My sense is that that's 18:46:38 16 part of where the problem occurred is that 8:46:38 16 part of where the problem occurred is that 18:46:42 17 in order to do 100 percent full data review, 8:46:42 17 in order to do 100 percent full data review, 18:46:44 18 it slows things down. I am not going to 8:46:44 18 it slows things down. I am not going to 18:46:46 19 take away from them the ability to do 100 8:46:46 19 take away from them the ability to do 100 18:46:50 20 percent data review. They just need to do 8:46:50 20 percent data review. They just need to do 18:46:52 21 it faster. 8:46:52 21 it faster. 18:46:56 22 I've talked to you about TEOMs. I 8:46:56 22 I've talked to you about TEOMs. I 18:46:58 23 think it's high time that we add a few more 8:46:58 23 think it's high time that we add a few more 18:47:00 24 TEOMs to the network. I'm not sure how 8:47:00 24 TEOMs to the network. I'm not sure how 18:47:04 25 many. It is -- there was a waiting list for 8:47:04 25 many. It is -- there was a waiting list for NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
42 18:47:08 1 these instruments. They were -- it's -- 8:47:08 1 these instruments. They were -- it's -- 18:47:12 2 they were primarily used by counties and 8:47:12 2 they were primarily used by counties and 18:47:16 3 cities to comply with the Clean Air Act, but 8:47:16 3 cities to comply with the Clean Air Act, but 18:47:20 4 I believe at this point with the help of 8:47:20 4 I believe at this point with the help of 18:47:24 5 some of my auditors, we may be able to jump 8:47:24 5 some of my auditors, we may be able to jump 18:47:28 6 up on the list to get them far sooner. 8:47:28 6 up on the list to get them far sooner. 18:47:32 7 Last but not least, as soon as we 8:47:32 7 Last but not least, as soon as we 18:47:36 8 found out about the problem, TVA immediately 8:47:36 8 found out about the problem, TVA immediately 18:47:42 9 terminated this lab from performing this 8:47:42 9 terminated this lab from performing this 18:47:48 10 analysis and went back to the original lab 8:47:48 10 analysis and went back to the original lab 18:47:50 11 that generated good QA data from January 8:47:50 11 that generated good QA data from January 18:47:54 12 through September. So that's already been 8:47:54 12 through September. So that's already been 18:47:56 13 done. That change is in place. And, oh, by 8:47:56 13 done. That change is in place. And, oh, by 18:47:58 14 the way, low and behold the data is getting 8:47:58 14 the way, low and behold the data is getting 18:48:04 15 turned around quicker. So changes are 8:48:04 15 turned around quicker. So changes are 18:48:08 16 already happening in order to minimize that 8:48:08 16 already happening in order to minimize that 18:48:10 17 problem from occurring again. 8:48:10 17 problem from occurring again. 18:48:12 18 All right. Conclusions. We're on 8:48:12 18 All right. Conclusions. We're on 18:48:20 19 schedule for removing the overwhelming 8:48:20 19 schedule for removing the overwhelming 18:48:24 20 amount of ash from the river and we're on 8:48:24 20 amount of ash from the river and we're on 18:48:26 21 schedule in terms of disposal. I talked to 8:48:26 21 schedule in terms of disposal. I talked to 18:48:30 22 you about the river closure needs to be 8:48:30 22 you about the river closure needs to be 18:48:34 23 extended. I need some public feedback about 8:48:34 23 extended. I need some public feedback about 18:48:36 24 how we do this. I look forward to hearing 8:48:36 24 how we do this. I look forward to hearing 18:48:38 25 from you folks tonight. The ball field will 8:48:38 25 from you folks tonight. The ball field will NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
43 18:48:40 1 temporarily go to 30 feet. Metals next to 8:48:40 1 temporarily go to 30 feet. Metals next to 18:48:44 2 the site in the Emory River, they are 8:48:44 2 the site in the Emory River, they are 18:48:46 3 elevated. Drinking water continues to meet 8:48:46 3 elevated. Drinking water continues to meet 18:48:50 4 protective levels. And last but not least, 8:48:50 4 protective levels. And last but not least, 18:48:54 5 the audit found acceptable data for all 8:48:54 5 the audit found acceptable data for all 18:49:00 6 other media and most of the air data except 8:49:00 6 other media and most of the air data except 18:49:02 7 for this filter particulate media-based 8:49:02 7 for this filter particulate media-based 18:49:06 8 sampling from September to January. The 8:49:06 8 sampling from September to January. The 18:49:10 9 public was not put at risk during that time 8:49:10 9 public was not put at risk during that time 18:49:14 10 based on the information from our backup 8:49:14 10 based on the information from our backup 18:49:16 11 systems and TVA will execute these 8:49:16 11 systems and TVA will execute these 18:49:20 12 corrective actions. In fact, they've 8:49:20 12 corrective actions. In fact, they've 18:49:22 13 already begun to execute those corrective 8:49:22 13 already begun to execute those corrective 18:49:24 14 actions. That's it. I appreciate your 8:49:24 14 actions. That's it. I appreciate your 18:49:28 15 time. You're next, Craig? 8:49:28 15 time. You're next, Craig? 18:49:32 16 CRAIG ZELLER: Okay. I'll try and 8:49:32 16 CRAIG ZELLER: Okay. I'll try and 18:49:48 17 be a little shorter. I know Leo had a lot 8:49:48 17 be a little shorter. I know Leo had a lot 18:49:50 18 of stuff to cover. I'll try and get us back 8:49:50 18 of stuff to cover. I'll try and get us back 18:49:54 19 on track. I have been told I talk very 8:49:54 19 on track. I have been told I talk very 18:49:54 20 fast, so maybe it gives us a chance to get 8:49:54 20 fast, so maybe it gives us a chance to get 18:49:58 21 back on track here and getting to the 8:49:58 21 back on track here and getting to the 18:50:00 22 opportunity for y'all to ask questions. 8:50:00 22 opportunity for y'all to ask questions. 18:50:00 23 Again, my name is Craig Zeller. I 8:50:00 23 Again, my name is Craig Zeller. I 18:50:02 24 work with Leo. You've heard the terms 8:50:02 24 work with Leo. You've heard the terms 18:50:04 25 time-critical and non-time-critical. I'm 8:50:04 25 time-critical and non-time-critical. I'm NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
44 18:50:06 1 going to use kind of Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 8:50:06 1 going to use kind of Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 18:50:10 2 3. Phase 1 is the removal of the ash from 8:50:10 2 3. Phase 1 is the removal of the ash from 18:50:12 3 the river. Phase 2 and Phase 3 is what I'm 8:50:12 3 the river. Phase 2 and Phase 3 is what I'm 18:50:14 4 going to be responsible for. Phase 2 is 8:50:14 4 going to be responsible for. Phase 2 is 18:50:16 5 dealing with all the ash west of Dike 2 in 8:50:16 5 dealing with all the ash west of Dike 2 in 18:50:18 6 the former embayments and sloughs, fancy 8:50:18 6 the former embayments and sloughs, fancy 18:50:22 7 terms for shallow backwaters in what was 8:50:22 7 terms for shallow backwaters in what was 18:50:24 8 once Watts Bar Reservoir. Phase 3 then. 8:50:24 8 once Watts Bar Reservoir. Phase 3 then. 18:50:26 9 Once Phase 1 and 2 are done, Phase 3 will 8:50:26 9 Once Phase 1 and 2 are done, Phase 3 will 18:50:26 10 focus on evaluating any residual ash that's 8:50:26 10 focus on evaluating any residual ash that's 18:50:30 11 left in the river after time-critical and 8:50:30 11 left in the river after time-critical and 18:50:32 12 there may or may not be additional actions 8:50:32 12 there may or may not be additional actions 13 required in the Emory, the Clinch and the 18:50:36 14 Tennessee after we're done with Phase 2. 8:50:36 14 Tennessee after we're done with Phase 2. 18:50:38 15 So what we're going to do today is 8:50:38 15 So what we're going to do today is 18:50:40 16 talk about Phase 2 which is the engineering 8:50:40 16 talk about Phase 2 which is the engineering 18:50:42 17 evaluation, cost analysis report. It is up 8:50:42 17 evaluation, cost analysis report. It is up 18:50:44 18 for public comment. Again, it talks about 8:50:44 18 for public comment. Again, it talks about 18:50:46 19 alternatives for everything west of Dike 2. 8:50:46 19 alternatives for everything west of Dike 2. 18:50:50 20 Everything that's encircled there by blue is 8:50:50 20 Everything that's encircled there by blue is 18:50:52 21 what Phase 2 will address. So this report 8:50:52 21 what Phase 2 will address. So this report 18:51:00 22 that's out on our webpage and it's out for 8:51:00 22 that's out on our webpage and it's out for 18:51:02 23 public comment now, it does talk about the 8:51:02 23 public comment now, it does talk about the 18:51:04 24 next phase, it talked about this 8:51:04 24 next phase, it talked about this 18:51:04 25 non-time-critical removal action. 8:51:04 25 non-time-critical removal action. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
45 18:51:06 1 Why am I up here talking about this 8:51:06 1 Why am I up here talking about this 18:51:08 2 now? Well, you heard that Leo said that 8:51:08 2 now? Well, you heard that Leo said that 18:51:10 3 he's on track to get ash out the river by 8:51:10 3 he's on track to get ash out the river by 18:51:12 4 May. We'll have about a million cubic yards 8:51:12 4 May. We'll have about a million cubic yards 18:51:14 5 of ash on site left to ship. That stuff 8:51:14 5 of ash on site left to ship. That stuff 18:51:18 6 will probably will be -- we'll be shipping 8:51:18 6 will probably will be -- we'll be shipping 18:51:20 7 ash on the train to Alabama probably until 8:51:20 7 ash on the train to Alabama probably until 18:51:22 8 November. So my job is to have this next 8:51:22 8 November. So my job is to have this next 18:51:24 9 phase, Phase 2, ready to go and shovel ready 8:51:24 9 phase, Phase 2, ready to go and shovel ready 18:51:28 10 by the time the time-critical removal action 8:51:28 10 by the time the time-critical removal action 18:51:30 11 is done in, say, May, June. That way there 8:51:30 11 is done in, say, May, June. That way there 18:51:34 12 is no lapse in ash being cleaned out of the 8:51:34 12 is no lapse in ash being cleaned out of the 18:51:36 13 environment and that there's no delay, that 8:51:36 13 environment and that there's no delay, that 18:51:42 14 old seamless transition. 8:51:42 14 old seamless transition. 18:51:44 15 So what do we want to establish or 8:51:44 15 So what do we want to establish or 18:51:48 16 accomplish with the next phase, Phase 2? 8:51:48 16 accomplish with the next phase, Phase 2? 18:51:50 17 Well, we've done a bunch of environmental 8:51:50 17 Well, we've done a bunch of environmental 18:51:52 18 sampling analyses, we've done some human 8:51:52 18 sampling analyses, we've done some human 18:51:52 19 health and environmental risk assessment. 8:51:52 19 health and environmental risk assessment. 18:51:56 20 We've come to the conclusion that 2.5 8:51:56 20 We've come to the conclusion that 2.5 18:51:56 21 million cubic yards of ash in what was 8:51:56 21 million cubic yards of ash in what was 18:51:58 22 formally waters of the U. S. is a bad thing. 8:51:58 22 formally waters of the U. S. is a bad thing. 18:52:00 23 Okay. That's kind of the no-brainer of the 8:52:00 23 Okay. That's kind of the no-brainer of the 18:52:02 24 day. So these are the removal action 8:52:02 24 day. So these are the removal action 25 objectives of what we want to accomplish. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
46 1 The first three are talking 18:52:10 2 about getting ash out of the embayment, 8:52:10 2 about getting ash out of the embayment, 18:52:10 3 eliminating contact with a surface water so 8:52:10 3 eliminating contact with a surface water so 18:52:14 4 that we don't have, you know, ash 8:52:14 4 that we don't have, you know, ash 18:52:16 5 constituents like selenium and arsenic, the 8:52:16 5 constituents like selenium and arsenic, the 18:52:18 6 graphs that Leo showed you, discharging into 8:52:18 6 graphs that Leo showed you, discharging into 18:52:20 7 the Emory River. We also want to minimize 8:52:20 7 the Emory River. We also want to minimize 18:52:22 8 the exposure of this ash to human and 8:52:22 8 the exposure of this ash to human and 18:52:24 9 ecological receptors, the birds and the 8:52:24 9 ecological receptors, the birds and the 18:52:26 10 bunnies. We want to restore the embayment 8:52:26 10 bunnies. We want to restore the embayment 18:52:28 11 to prespill conditions. I've talked to a 8:52:28 11 to prespill conditions. I've talked to a 18:52:30 12 lot of former, I guess, fishermen and 8:52:30 12 lot of former, I guess, fishermen and 18:52:34 13 fisherwomen that used to go for crappie in 8:52:34 13 fisherwomen that used to go for crappie in 18:52:36 14 this area and they said this was probably 8:52:36 14 this area and they said this was probably 18:52:36 15 the best fishing in the Watts Bar area. So 8:52:36 15 the best fishing in the Watts Bar area. So 18:52:40 16 when we're done with this, we're going to 8:52:40 16 when we're done with this, we're going to 18:52:40 17 restore that fishery so it can be enjoyed 8:52:40 17 restore that fishery so it can be enjoyed 18:52:44 18 again for recreation. 8:52:44 18 again for recreation. 18:52:46 19 We want to close out the former 8:52:46 19 We want to close out the former 18:52:46 20 dredge cell. Of course, it failed on 8:52:46 20 dredge cell. Of course, it failed on 18:52:48 21 December 22 of 2008. We want to restore 8:52:48 21 December 22 of 2008. We want to restore 18:52:50 22 that dredge cell so it does not fail again. 8:52:50 22 that dredge cell so it does not fail again. 23 We're going to do that in accordance with 24 Tennessee solid waste rules. Then we also 25 want to safely dispose of all the ash that NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
47 1 generated during this action. 18:53:02 2 Okay. So we've assembled three 8:53:02 2 Okay. So we've assembled three 18:53:02 3 alternatives and some step alternatives are 8:53:02 3 alternatives and some step alternatives are 18:53:06 4 in the EE/CA report. What do they have in 8:53:06 4 in the EE/CA report. What do they have in 18:53:08 5 common? All three of the alternatives 8:53:08 5 common? All three of the alternatives 18:53:10 6 we're going to talk about here in a minute, 8:53:10 6 we're going to talk about here in a minute, 7 all three of them restore the embayments 8 and sloughs to prespill condition. Okay. 18:53:16 9 So we know what the bathymetry was like on 8:53:16 9 So we know what the bathymetry was like on 18:53:18 10 December 21 of 2008. When we're done with 8:53:18 10 December 21 of 2008. When we're done with 18:53:20 11 implementing one of these three 8:53:20 11 implementing one of these three 18:53:22 12 alternatives, it will be restored to that 8:53:22 12 alternatives, it will be restored to that 18:53:24 13 condition. Okay. A shallow backwater of 8:53:24 13 condition. Okay. A shallow backwater of 18:53:26 14 Watts Bar Reservoir. We are going to close 8:53:26 14 Watts Bar Reservoir. We are going to close 18:53:28 15 out the failed dredge cell and the adjacent 8:53:28 15 out the failed dredge cell and the adjacent 16 ash pond as part of the kind of water 17 treatment system right now. 18 And we're going to enhance the 18:53:40 19 perimeter dikes. Okay. Think of it as a 8:53:40 19 perimeter dikes. Okay. Think of it as a 18:53:40 20 big, giant containment wall that failed, 8:53:40 20 big, giant containment wall that failed, 18:53:42 21 again on December 22. Those dikes are going 8:53:42 21 again on December 22. Those dikes are going 18:53:44 22 to be enhanced and restored using soil 8:53:44 22 to be enhanced and restored using soil 18:53:48 23 cement columns. All three alternatives kind 8:53:48 23 cement columns. All three alternatives kind 18:53:50 24 of have a varying degree of how much soil 8:53:50 24 of have a varying degree of how much soil 18:53:52 25 cement we use. But those things are going 8:53:52 25 cement we use. But those things are going NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
48 18:53:54 1 to go down into the bedrock, 60 feet down. 8:53:54 1 to go down into the bedrock, 60 feet down. 18:53:56 2 Okay. From ground surface down, that's 60 8:53:56 2 Okay. From ground surface down, that's 60 18:54:00 3 feet down until you get to bedrock and those 8:54:00 3 feet down until you get to bedrock and those 18:54:00 4 things are being designed to handle a mild 8:54:00 4 things are being designed to handle a mild 18:54:06 5 seismic event, okay, a mild earthquake. 8:54:06 5 seismic event, okay, a mild earthquake. 18:54:08 6 When the ground starts to shake, ash starts 8:54:08 6 When the ground starts to shake, ash starts 18:54:10 7 to liquify and so these soil cement columns 8:54:10 7 to liquify and so these soil cement columns 18:54:16 8 are going to be designed to eliminate any 8:54:16 8 are going to be designed to eliminate any 18:54:16 9 failure under that mode. Okay. So it's 8:54:16 9 failure under that mode. Okay. So it's 18:54:18 10 kind of a worst case scenario. 8:54:18 10 kind of a worst case scenario. 18:54:18 11 What's different about these three 8:54:18 11 What's different about these three 18:54:22 12 alternatives? Well, they differ by whether 8:54:22 12 alternatives? Well, they differ by whether 18:54:22 13 it goes off site or on site, how much goes 8:54:22 13 it goes off site or on site, how much goes 18:54:26 14 off site and how much stays on site. They 8:54:26 14 off site and how much stays on site. They 18:54:30 15 differ in how -- what the final elevation of 8:54:30 15 differ in how -- what the final elevation of 18:54:32 16 the closed out cell is. Some will close it 8:54:32 16 the closed out cell is. Some will close it 18:54:34 17 out higher. Others close it out near ground 8:54:34 17 out higher. Others close it out near ground 18:54:36 18 surface. They differ about the type and 8:54:36 18 surface. They differ about the type and 18:54:38 19 amount of construction traffic. We've got 8:54:38 19 amount of construction traffic. We've got 18:54:40 20 some alternatives in there that look at all 8:54:40 20 some alternatives in there that look at all 18:54:44 21 rail. We have some alternatives in there 8:54:44 21 rail. We have some alternatives in there 18:54:44 22 that look at combination of rail as well as 8:54:44 22 that look at combination of rail as well as 18:54:48 23 trucking. We have one on there that does no 8:54:48 23 trucking. We have one on there that does no 24 transportation off site, everything is 18:54:54 25 disposed of onsite. Also the duration of 8:54:54 25 disposed of onsite. Also the duration of NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
49 18:54:56 1 work, how long does it take to complete the 8:54:56 1 work, how long does it take to complete the 18:54:58 2 work from start to finish and how much does 8:54:58 2 work from start to finish and how much does 18:54:58 3 it cost. 8:54:58 3 it cost. 4 Okay. On to the alternatives. 18:55:04 5 Alternative 1, all right, this is an off- 8:55:04 5 Alternative 1, all right, this is an off- 18:55:04 6 site option. It takes 2.8 million cubic 8:55:04 6 site option. It takes 2.8 million cubic 18:55:08 7 yards of ash that is west of Dike 2. It 8:55:08 7 yards of ash that is west of Dike 2. It 18:55:12 8 will leave 10.8 million cubic yards in the 8:55:12 8 will leave 10.8 million cubic yards in the 18:55:16 9 cell and 4.0 cubic yards -- 4 million cubic 8:55:16 9 cell and 4.0 cubic yards -- 4 million cubic 18:55:18 10 yards of ash in the pond. So roughly 15 8:55:18 10 yards of ash in the pond. So roughly 15 18:55:22 11 million cubic yards or so would remain in 8:55:22 11 million cubic yards or so would remain in 18:55:24 12 the closed out dredge cell. 8:55:24 12 the closed out dredge cell. 18:55:24 13 The cell would be closed out at 8:55:24 13 The cell would be closed out at 18:55:26 14 elevation 790. Some elevations that are 8:55:26 14 elevation 790. Some elevations that are 18:55:28 15 important. Watts Bar Reservoir fluctuates 8:55:28 15 important. Watts Bar Reservoir fluctuates 18:55:32 16 between, what, 736 and 741. The ground 8:55:32 16 between, what, 736 and 741. The ground 18:55:38 17 surface elevation of Swan Pond Road is 8:55:38 17 surface elevation of Swan Pond Road is 18:55:40 18 approximately 765, all right, for reference. 8:55:40 18 approximately 765, all right, for reference. 18:55:44 19 The former cell before it failed was around 8:55:44 19 The former cell before it failed was around 18:55:46 20 elevation 820. Okay. So this would be 8:55:46 20 elevation 820. Okay. So this would be 18:55:48 21 closed out 30 feet below the southern route. 8:55:48 21 closed out 30 feet below the southern route. 18:55:52 22 Okay. Just to keep that in mind. 8:55:52 22 Okay. Just to keep that in mind. 18:55:54 23 Two options. Option 1A looks at 8:55:54 23 Two options. Option 1A looks at 18:55:56 24 shipping 380 trains for a duration of 8:55:56 24 shipping 380 trains for a duration of 18:56:00 25 19 months. In this EE/CA report that's out 8:56:00 25 19 months. In this EE/CA report that's out NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
50 18:56:02 1 for public comment right now, it assumes 8:56:02 1 for public comment right now, it assumes 18:56:04 2 those trains would be headed to Perry 8:56:04 2 those trains would be headed to Perry 18:56:08 3 County, Alabama. Okay. Opposite 1B is kind 8:56:08 3 County, Alabama. Okay. Opposite 1B is kind 4 of a combination. It sends 208 trains to 18:56:16 5 Perry County and 35,000 trucks to Chestnut 8:56:16 5 Perry County and 35,000 trucks to Chestnut 18:56:18 6 Ridge Landfill, it's a waste management 8:56:18 6 Ridge Landfill, it's a waste management 18:56:22 7 facility outside of Knoxville. It's about 8:56:22 7 facility outside of Knoxville. It's about 18:56:24 8 50 miles away. The reason the trucking 8:56:24 8 50 miles away. The reason the trucking 18:56:26 9 option is thrown in there is we have around 8:56:26 9 option is thrown in there is we have around 18:56:28 10 760,000 cubic yards in the north embayment, 8:56:28 10 760,000 cubic yards in the north embayment, 18:56:30 11 also known as Berkshire Slough. We've got 8:56:30 11 also known as Berkshire Slough. We've got 18:56:32 12 to truck that material someplace. We've 8:56:32 12 to truck that material someplace. We've 18:56:34 13 got to get it into trucks to get it out of 8:56:34 13 got to get it into trucks to get it out of 14 there. So the idea is that once it's in a 18:56:36 15 truck, we could conceivably take it off 8:56:36 15 truck, we could conceivably take it off 18:56:40 16 site to a landfill or we could take it 8:56:40 16 site to a landfill or we could take it 18:56:42 17 back to the ball field for storage. Okay. 8:56:42 17 back to the ball field for storage. Okay. 18 So that is why the trucking alternative, 19 sub-alternative, was thrown in there. 18:56:48 20 The overall project duration is 8:56:48 20 The overall project duration is 18:56:48 21 2.8 years, roughly 3 years, for the digging 8:56:48 21 2.8 years, roughly 3 years, for the digging 18:56:52 22 and the hauling and then another 10 months 8:56:52 22 and the hauling and then another 10 months 18:56:54 23 to close out the ash pond that's adjacent to 8:56:54 23 to close out the ash pond that's adjacent to 18:56:58 24 the lateral expansion. The cost on this -- 8:56:58 24 the lateral expansion. The cost on this -- 25 this is our middle or mid range cost. The NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
51 18:57:02 1 cost on this is $440 million. That's the 8:57:02 1 cost on this is $440 million. That's the 18:57:04 2 trucking option. That's 1B. 450 million 8:57:04 2 trucking option. That's 1B. 450 million 18:57:08 3 for the all trains, everything to Perry 8:57:08 3 for the all trains, everything to Perry 18:57:12 4 County. The operation and maintenance cost 8:57:12 4 County. The operation and maintenance cost 18:57:14 5 with all three of these remedies runs around 8:57:14 5 with all three of these remedies runs around 18:57:18 6 $680,000 a year. That's keeping the grass 8:57:18 6 $680,000 a year. That's keeping the grass 18:57:20 7 on top of the closed out cell and all that 8:57:20 7 on top of the closed out cell and all that 18:57:24 8 kind of stuff. 8:57:24 8 kind of stuff. 18:57:24 9 All right. Option 2 is our most 8:57:24 9 All right. Option 2 is our most 18:57:28 10 expensive alternative running in the 8:57:28 10 expensive alternative running in the 18:57:30 11 $740 million range. This is also the 8:57:30 11 $740 million range. This is also the 18:57:32 12 alternative that digs up the most ash. All 8:57:32 12 alternative that digs up the most ash. All 18:57:34 13 right. So under this alternative, we take 8:57:34 13 right. So under this alternative, we take 18:57:36 14 6.8 million cubic yards of ash off site. 8:57:36 14 6.8 million cubic yards of ash off site. 18:57:40 15 That's around 3 million or so, 2 and a half 8:57:40 15 That's around 3 million or so, 2 and a half 18:57:42 16 million in Berkshire Slough and embayments 8:57:42 16 million in Berkshire Slough and embayments 18:57:46 17 and then it takes -- scalps another 3 and a 8:57:46 17 and then it takes -- scalps another 3 and a 18:57:46 18 half million or so off the top of that -- 8:57:46 18 half million or so off the top of that -- 18:57:48 19 the cell that's failed out there. Okay. So 8:57:48 19 the cell that's failed out there. Okay. So 18:57:52 20 kind of half and half. This results in the 8:57:52 20 kind of half and half. This results in the 18:57:54 21 less amount of ash that would remain on site 8:57:54 21 less amount of ash that would remain on site 22 forever or in perpetuity, however you want 18:58:00 23 to look at it. That would be around -- what 8:58:00 23 to look at it. That would be around -- what 18:58:02 24 is that, about 11 million cubic yards would 8:58:02 24 is that, about 11 million cubic yards would 18:58:04 25 remain in that closed out cell. 8:58:04 25 remain in that closed out cell. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
52 18:58:08 1 It's important to note that there 8:58:08 1 It's important to note that there 18:58:08 2 would still be ash on site. Okay. When we 8:58:08 2 would still be ash on site. Okay. When we 18:58:10 3 take it down to ground surface at 765, 8:58:10 3 take it down to ground surface at 765, 18:58:12 4 there's still a bunch of ash that goes into 8:58:12 4 there's still a bunch of ash that goes into 18:58:14 5 -- you know, down to bedrock and that's 8:58:14 5 -- you know, down to bedrock and that's 18:58:16 6 where that 11 million cubic yards would be 8:58:16 6 where that 11 million cubic yards would be 18:58:18 7 located. This closes the cell out at the 8:58:18 7 located. This closes the cell out at the 18:58:22 8 lowest elevation, from 765 which is near 8:58:22 8 lowest elevation, from 765 which is near 18:58:26 9 ground surface near the road -- elevation of 8:58:26 9 ground surface near the road -- elevation of 18:58:28 10 Swan Pond Circle Road and Swan Pond Road to 8:58:28 10 Swan Pond Circle Road and Swan Pond Road to 18:58:30 11 about 780. So it's nearer ground surface. 8:58:30 11 about 780. So it's nearer ground surface. 18:58:34 12 It takes it down below us. But also it 8:58:34 12 It takes it down below us. But also it 18:58:34 13 increases the train traffic. 8:58:34 13 increases the train traffic. 18:58:38 14 You can see now it's 910 trains for 8:58:38 14 You can see now it's 910 trains for 18:58:40 15 45 months, close to 5 years, or the 1B 8:58:40 15 45 months, close to 5 years, or the 1B 18:58:44 16 option which is 810 trains to Perry County 8:58:44 16 option which is 810 trains to Perry County 18:58:48 17 and the 35,000 truck loads from the 8:58:48 17 and the 35,000 truck loads from the 18:58:50 18 Berkshire Slough in north embayment to 8:58:50 18 Berkshire Slough in north embayment to 18:58:52 19 Chestnut Ridge outside of Knoxville. This 8:58:52 19 Chestnut Ridge outside of Knoxville. This 18:58:54 20 is the longest because it's the most ash off 8:58:54 20 is the longest because it's the most ash off 18:58:56 21 site. It's also the longest to implement. 8:58:56 21 site. It's also the longest to implement. 18:58:58 22 It's 4.1 years plus 10 months to close out 8:58:58 22 It's 4.1 years plus 10 months to close out 18:59:02 23 the ash pond. So you're looking at a total 8:59:02 23 the ash pond. So you're looking at a total 24 of about 5 years of implementation here. 18:59:06 25 Again, our most expensive remedy, 720 to 740 8:59:06 25 Again, our most expensive remedy, 720 to 740 NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
53 18:59:10 1 million. 8:59:10 1 million. 18:59:12 2 Okay. Alternative 3, the one 8:59:12 2 Okay. Alternative 3, the one 18:59:16 3 and only on-site disposal option that's in 8:59:16 3 and only on-site disposal option that's in 4 these three alternatives that are under 18:59:18 5 consideration at this time. Under this 8:59:18 5 consideration at this time. Under this 18:59:18 6 alternative no ash would be shipped off 8:59:18 6 alternative no ash would be shipped off 18:59:22 7 site. What we would do is we'd bring the 8:59:22 7 site. What we would do is we'd bring the 18:59:22 8 ash out of the embayments where it was 8:59:22 8 ash out of the embayments where it was 18:59:24 9 deposited when it was spilled and we would 8:59:24 9 deposited when it was spilled and we would 18:59:28 10 consolidate it back in the same footprint of 8:59:28 10 consolidate it back in the same footprint of 18:59:30 11 where it came from. So this is kind of -- 8:59:30 11 where it came from. So this is kind of -- 18:59:34 12 in simple terms this is bringing the ash and 8:59:34 12 in simple terms this is bringing the ash and 18:59:34 13 putting it back where it came from in a 8:59:34 13 putting it back where it came from in a 14 closed out cell. 18:59:40 15 Now, this relies on again this 8:59:40 15 Now, this relies on again this 18:59:40 16 perimeter diking system that would surround 8:59:40 16 perimeter diking system that would surround 18:59:42 17 the entire landfill with the soil cement 8:59:42 17 the entire landfill with the soil cement 18:59:46 18 columns to withstand a seismic event. When 8:59:46 18 columns to withstand a seismic event. When 19 we talk about closing out a landfill, what 18:59:52 20 do I mean? Well, we'd stack all the ash in 8:59:52 20 do I mean? Well, we'd stack all the ash in 18:59:54 21 there in a dried out form in and compacted 8:59:54 21 there in a dried out form in and compacted 18:59:56 22 lifts. Once we got all the ash back inside 8:59:56 22 lifts. Once we got all the ash back inside 18:59:58 23 it, surrounded it with the cement columns, 8:59:58 23 it, surrounded it with the cement columns, 19:00:00 24 it would then be capped with 2 foot of clay, 9:00:00 24 it would then be capped with 2 foot of clay, 19:00:04 25 impermeable clay to reduce infiltration. 9:00:04 25 impermeable clay to reduce infiltration. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
54 19:00:06 1 Right now the baseline infiltration through 9:00:06 1 Right now the baseline infiltration through 19:00:08 2 the ash is around 14 inches a year. All 9:00:08 2 the ash is around 14 inches a year. All 19:00:12 3 right. So this clay would reduce that 9:00:12 3 right. So this clay would reduce that 19:00:14 4 14 inches a year infiltration down through 9:00:14 4 14 inches a year infiltration down through 19:00:18 5 the ash, an order of magnitude down to about 9:00:18 5 the ash, an order of magnitude down to about 19:00:22 6 1.4 inches a year. 9:00:22 6 1.4 inches a year. 19:00:22 7 It's important to note that under 9:00:22 7 It's important to note that under 19:00:22 8 this alternative -- oops, can you go back 9:00:22 8 this alternative -- oops, can you go back 19:00:24 9 for me, Michael -- there would be about 17 9:00:24 9 for me, Michael -- there would be about 17 19:00:28 10 million cubic yards of ash permanently 9:00:28 10 million cubic yards of ash permanently 19:00:32 11 disposed of and closed out of site. One 9:00:32 11 disposed of and closed out of site. One 12 point I want to make is that before this 19:00:34 13 impoundment failed, there was around 16, 9:00:34 13 impoundment failed, there was around 16, 19:00:38 14 16.5 million cubic yards out there. All 9:00:38 14 16.5 million cubic yards out there. All 19:00:40 15 right. We would simply be putting back what 9:00:40 15 right. We would simply be putting back what 19:00:42 16 was there, closing it out responsibly, 9:00:42 16 was there, closing it out responsibly, 19:00:44 17 putting some infiltration controls in place 9:00:44 17 putting some infiltration controls in place 19:00:46 18 to stop the leaching and surrounding it with 9:00:46 18 to stop the leaching and surrounding it with 19:00:48 19 a concrete system so it would stay there 9:00:48 19 a concrete system so it would stay there 19:00:50 20 forever. 9:00:50 20 forever. 19:00:50 21 So the big advantage of this 9:00:50 21 So the big advantage of this 19:00:52 22 alternative is that there's no disposal 9:00:52 22 alternative is that there's no disposal 19:00:54 23 traffic. It's kind of in the -- it's the 9:00:54 23 traffic. It's kind of in the -- it's the 19:01:00 24 cheapest alternative. 270 million cubic 9:01:00 24 cheapest alternative. 270 million cubic 19:01:04 25 yards -- or excuse me -- million dollars to 9:01:04 25 yards -- or excuse me -- million dollars to NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
55 19:01:04 1 close out the cell as well as the ash pond. 9:01:04 1 close out the cell as well as the ash pond. 19:01:08 2 If you do them separately, it's a little 9:01:08 2 If you do them separately, it's a little 19:01:10 3 more expensive because it takes a little 9:01:10 3 more expensive because it takes a little 19:01:12 4 more time, it's 320 million. 9:01:12 4 more time, it's 320 million. 19:01:14 5 So how do we evaluate all these 9:01:14 5 So how do we evaluate all these 19:01:16 6 alternatives? When we put them in the 9:01:16 6 alternatives? When we put them in the 7 evaluation criteria and kind of spin the 19:01:20 8 wheel, how do we decide which one is best? 9:01:20 8 wheel, how do we decide which one is best? 19:01:22 9 Well, there's three primary evaluation 9:01:22 9 Well, there's three primary evaluation 19:01:26 10 criteria. It's effectiveness, implement- 9:01:26 10 criteria. It's effectiveness, implement- 19:01:28 11 ability and cost, all right, are the factors 9:01:28 11 ability and cost, all right, are the factors 19:01:28 12 that we're going to consider in this. 9:01:28 12 that we're going to consider in this. 19:01:30 13 Effectiveness is does it meet those removal 9:01:30 13 Effectiveness is does it meet those removal 19:01:34 14 action objectives that I talked about 9:01:34 14 action objectives that I talked about 19:01:34 15 earlier, does it minimize contact with ash, 9:01:34 15 earlier, does it minimize contact with ash, 19:01:36 16 does it minimize erosion into the adjacent 9:01:36 16 does it minimize erosion into the adjacent 19:01:40 17 river, how protective is it in the 9:01:40 17 river, how protective is it in the 19:01:42 18 long-term, how much ash do we leave on site? 9:01:42 18 long-term, how much ash do we leave on site? 19:01:46 19 You can see one alternative, one extreme you 9:01:46 19 You can see one alternative, one extreme you 19:01:48 20 leave 17 million cubic yards of ash on site 9:01:48 20 leave 17 million cubic yards of ash on site 19:01:50 21 and the most costly alternative we leave 9:01:50 21 and the most costly alternative we leave 19:01:54 22 about 10 million cubic yards of ash on site. 9:01:54 22 about 10 million cubic yards of ash on site. 19:01:54 23 So you get some reduction in volume. 9:01:54 23 So you get some reduction in volume. 19:01:56 24 Implementability, how long does it 9:01:56 24 Implementability, how long does it 19:01:58 25 take. You can see from those slides earlier 9:01:58 25 take. You can see from those slides earlier NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
56 19:02:00 1 our time to finish all these alternatives is 9:02:00 1 our time to finish all these alternatives is 2 anywhere from 3 to 5 years is about as fast 19:02:06 3 as we can get it done. It's a big project. 9:02:06 3 as we can get it done. It's a big project. 19:02:10 4 From an implementability standpoint, what 9:02:10 4 From an implementability standpoint, what 19:02:14 5 kind of stuff are we looking at from a 9:02:14 5 kind of stuff are we looking at from a 19:02:16 6 construction technology. The stuff is 9:02:16 6 construction technology. The stuff is 19:02:16 7 pretty standard technology. It's all 9:02:16 7 pretty standard technology. It's all 19:02:18 8 excavation, dewatering, transportation in 9:02:18 8 excavation, dewatering, transportation in 19:02:22 9 trains or trucks, disposal, foundation 9:02:22 9 trains or trucks, disposal, foundation 19:02:24 10 treatment and the restoration of that former 9:02:24 10 treatment and the restoration of that former 19:02:28 11 water of the U. S. Nothing real tricky here 9:02:28 11 water of the U. S. Nothing real tricky here 19:02:32 12 as far as an implementability standpoint. 9:02:32 12 as far as an implementability standpoint. 19:02:34 13 We've been doing it out here since really -- 9:02:34 13 We've been doing it out here since really -- 19:02:36 14 since the spill happened. This foundation 9:02:36 14 since the spill happened. This foundation 19:02:38 15 treatment, the soil cement columns I've 9:02:38 15 treatment, the soil cement columns I've 19:02:40 16 mentioned, is pretty proven technology. It 9:02:40 16 mentioned, is pretty proven technology. It 19:02:42 17 is pretty standard technology for 9:02:42 17 is pretty standard technology for 19:02:46 18 reenforcing dams of this type. 9:02:46 18 reenforcing dams of this type. 19:02:48 19 And so cost, it comes down to cost. 9:02:48 19 And so cost, it comes down to cost. 19:02:50 20 On the last one here, these are -- the costs 9:02:50 20 On the last one here, these are -- the costs 19:02:50 21 that I showed you are net present value in 9:02:50 21 that I showed you are net present value in 19:02:54 22 2009 dollars. In addition to the upfront 9:02:54 22 2009 dollars. In addition to the upfront 19:02:56 23 capital costs that range from 270 to 740 9:02:56 23 capital costs that range from 270 to 740 19:03:00 24 million, there's also an O & M cost to 9:03:00 24 million, there's also an O & M cost to 19:03:04 25 maintain the landfill, mow the grass, all 9:03:04 25 maintain the landfill, mow the grass, all NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
57 19:03:06 1 that kind of stuff. Those costs for all 9:03:06 1 that kind of stuff. Those costs for all 19:03:08 2 three remedies are roughly the same. 9:03:08 2 three remedies are roughly the same. 19:03:10 3 They're about $680,000 a year. 9:03:10 3 They're about $680,000 a year. 19:03:14 4 So what next? We initiated a 9:03:14 4 So what next? We initiated a 19:03:18 5 30-day comment period that started on 9:03:18 5 30-day comment period that started on 19:03:20 6 January 19th when we first released the 9:03:20 6 January 19th when we first released the 19:03:24 7 EE/CA and went up through Feb 20th. Since 9:03:24 7 EE/CA and went up through Feb 20th. Since 19:03:26 8 then we've received requests for extension 9:03:26 8 then we've received requests for extension 19:03:28 9 from three stakeholders, the Roane County 9:03:28 9 from three stakeholders, the Roane County 10 Long-Term Recovery Council, the Community 19:03:32 11 Advisory Group we heard from earlier, and 9:03:32 11 Advisory Group we heard from earlier, and 19:03:34 12 also an environmental group out of 9:03:34 12 also an environmental group out of 19:03:34 13 Washington, D.C. known as the Environmental 9:03:34 13 Washington, D.C. known as the Environmental 19:03:38 14 Integrity Project. Based on those requests 9:03:38 14 Integrity Project. Based on those requests 19:03:40 15 for extension, we have extended that comment 9:03:40 15 for extension, we have extended that comment 19:03:44 16 period an additional 30 days for a total of 9:03:44 16 period an additional 30 days for a total of 19:03:46 17 60. It was very similar to the comment 9:03:46 17 60. It was very similar to the comment 18 period that we held on the EE/CA work plan 19 which was the last time I had the 19:03:52 20 opportunity to talk to you folks. 9:03:52 20 opportunity to talk to you folks. 19:03:52 21 So our comment period on this will 9:03:52 21 So our comment period on this will 19:03:54 22 run through March 20th. After those 9:03:54 22 run through March 20th. After those 19:03:56 23 comments have all been received and fully 9:03:56 23 comments have all been received and fully 19:04:00 24 considered, there will be an action memo. 9:04:00 24 considered, there will be an action memo. 19:04:02 25 That is the decision document. Very similar 9:04:02 25 That is the decision document. Very similar NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
58 1 to what was written for the start of time- 19:04:06 2 critical work. The action memo we hope to 9:04:06 2 critical work. The action memo we hope to 19:04:08 3 have out sometime in the April/May time 9:04:08 3 have out sometime in the April/May time 19:04:10 4 frame, again, to have this decision ready to 9:04:10 4 frame, again, to have this decision ready to 19:04:12 5 go by the time the time-critical work is 9:04:12 5 go by the time the time-critical work is 19:04:16 6 finished and that would be the start of 9:04:16 6 finished and that would be the start of 19:04:18 7 Phase 2. I believe that's it. 9:04:18 7 Phase 2. I believe that's it. 19:04:20 8 This is my kind of slide of what we 9:04:20 8 This is my kind of slide of what we 19:04:24 9 want to do, what we want to accomplish with 9:04:24 9 want to do, what we want to accomplish with 19:04:24 10 the restoration. Church Slough is a small 9:04:24 10 the restoration. Church Slough is a small 19:04:28 11 little backwater that is to the west, I 9:04:28 11 little backwater that is to the west, I 19:04:32 12 believe, of Swan Pond Road. It's fairly 9:04:32 12 believe, of Swan Pond Road. It's fairly 19:04:34 13 small, 20, probably 30 some acres. On the 9:04:34 13 small, 20, probably 30 some acres. On the 19:04:40 14 left is what it looked like several days 9:04:40 14 left is what it looked like several days 19:04:40 15 after the spill. Okay. What it looks like 9:04:40 15 after the spill. Okay. What it looks like 19:04:42 16 now is what our goal is for the bigger part 9:04:42 16 now is what our goal is for the bigger part 19:04:46 17 of that embayment. Okay. We've got several 9:04:46 17 of that embayment. Okay. We've got several 19:04:48 18 hundred acres out there. Once we get the 9:04:48 18 hundred acres out there. Once we get the 19:04:50 19 ash out of the water, we want to make it 9:04:50 19 ash out of the water, we want to make it 19:04:52 20 look like what Church Slough does today. 9:04:52 20 look like what Church Slough does today. 19:04:54 21 That's kind of the overall -- that's what's 9:04:54 21 That's kind of the overall -- that's what's 19:04:56 22 guiding us. That's what our big objective 9:04:56 22 guiding us. That's what our big objective 19:05:00 23 is here. So thank you very much and I will 9:05:00 23 is here. So thank you very much and I will 19:05:00 24 be available after the Tennessee Department 9:05:00 24 be available after the Tennessee Department 19:05:02 25 of Health has their presentation. 9:05:02 25 of Health has their presentation. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
59 1 ALAN YARBROUGH: Good evening. My 19:05:14 2 name is Alan Yarbrough. I'm with the Agency 9:05:14 2 name is Alan Yarbrough. I'm with the Agency 19:05:14 3 for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry in 9:05:14 3 for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry in 19:05:18 4 Atlanta. The Agency for Toxic Substances 9:05:18 4 Atlanta. The Agency for Toxic Substances 19:05:22 5 and Disease Registry, also known as ATSDR, 9:05:22 5 and Disease Registry, also known as ATSDR, 19:05:26 6 provides funding to State health departments 9:05:26 6 provides funding to State health departments 19:05:28 7 and one tribal government across the U. S. 9:05:28 7 and one tribal government across the U. S. 19:05:30 8 Through the cooperative agreement, of which 9:05:30 8 Through the cooperative agreement, of which 19:05:32 9 one of our partners is the Tennessee 9:05:32 9 one of our partners is the Tennessee 19:05:34 10 Department of Health, we're able to reach a 9:05:34 10 Department of Health, we're able to reach a 19:05:36 11 lot more sites and do a lot more work than 9:05:36 11 lot more sites and do a lot more work than 19:05:38 12 we could just by using Federal personnel 9:05:38 12 we could just by using Federal personnel 19:05:42 13 alone. 9:05:42 13 alone. 19:05:42 14 The Tennessee Department of Health 9:05:42 14 The Tennessee Department of Health 19:05:44 15 has been a partner for many years now. They 9:05:44 15 has been a partner for many years now. They 19:05:50 16 have been the primary author of the public 9:05:50 16 have been the primary author of the public 19:05:52 17 health assessment that's currently out for 9:05:52 17 health assessment that's currently out for 19:05:54 18 comment. And we have reviewed the document. 9:05:54 18 comment. And we have reviewed the document. 19:05:58 19 We agree with the document. They have 9:05:58 19 We agree with the document. They have 19:06:00 20 certainly done a very thorough job using the 9:06:00 20 certainly done a very thorough job using the 19:06:02 21 same methods we would. The level of 9:06:02 21 same methods we would. The level of 19:06:06 22 integrity of the document is the very same 9:06:06 22 integrity of the document is the very same 19:06:10 23 as what we would have with STSDR. But the 9:06:10 23 as what we would have with STSDR. But the 19:06:14 24 one thing that using State health 9:06:14 24 one thing that using State health 19:06:16 25 departments, they've done it a lot faster 9:06:16 25 departments, they've done it a lot faster NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
60 19:06:20 1 than we would be able to with the agency 9:06:20 1 than we would be able to with the agency 19:06:22 2 resources that we have in Atlanta. 9:06:22 2 resources that we have in Atlanta. 19:06:24 3 So with that, I just want to turn 9:06:24 3 So with that, I just want to turn 19:06:24 4 it over to Bonnie Bashor who is going to 9:06:24 4 it over to Bonnie Bashor who is going to 19:06:26 5 talk about some more specifics of the health 9:06:26 5 talk about some more specifics of the health 19:06:28 6 assessment. 9:06:28 6 assessment. 19:06:30 7 BONNIE BASHOR: I'm Bonnie and I 9:06:30 7 BONNIE BASHOR: I'm Bonnie and I 19:06:32 8 would like to stand down there, but I won't. 9:06:32 8 would like to stand down there, but I won't. 19:06:38 9 I'm here to talk about our public health 9:06:38 9 I'm here to talk about our public health 19:06:40 10 assessment that's now in public comment 9:06:40 10 assessment that's now in public comment 19:06:44 11 review. This is going to be a very short 9:06:44 11 review. This is going to be a very short 19:06:48 12 talk, non-technical, because I really want 9:06:48 12 talk, non-technical, because I really want 19:06:52 13 you to read the thing. 9:06:52 13 you to read the thing. 19:06:56 14 We had two primary objectives. 9:06:56 14 We had two primary objectives. 19:07:00 15 That was to decide whether people are being 9:07:00 15 That was to decide whether people are being 19:07:02 16 exposed to the ash, whether they're actually 9:07:02 16 exposed to the ash, whether they're actually 19:07:06 17 contacting it, getting it into them, and to 9:07:06 17 contacting it, getting it into them, and to 19:07:08 18 determine whether any contact you're having 9:07:08 18 determine whether any contact you're having 19:07:12 19 has hurt you. This is different from what 9:07:12 19 has hurt you. This is different from what 19:07:14 20 the Tennessee Poison Center is doing with 9:07:14 20 the Tennessee Poison Center is doing with 19:07:18 21 the individual medical evaluations. This is 9:07:18 21 the individual medical evaluations. This is 19:07:22 22 a public health evaluation. It's not a 9:07:22 22 a public health evaluation. It's not a 19:07:24 23 people evaluation. 9:07:24 23 people evaluation. 19:07:28 24 The data we used came from three 9:07:28 24 The data we used came from three 19:07:30 25 agencies basically from what -- the data 9:07:30 25 agencies basically from what -- the data NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
61 19:07:34 1 that we drew conclusions from. It was TVA, 9:07:34 1 that we drew conclusions from. It was TVA, 19:07:40 2 EPA and TDEC. There were well over 100,000 9:07:40 2 EPA and TDEC. There were well over 100,000 19:07:46 3 data points when you take all the data 9:07:46 3 data points when you take all the data 19:07:50 4 together. So there was a lot of data. We 9:07:50 4 together. So there was a lot of data. We 19:07:56 5 drew 16 conclusions. I'm not going to talk 9:07:56 5 drew 16 conclusions. I'm not going to talk 19:08:00 6 about them because it would have taken our 9:08:00 6 about them because it would have taken our 19:08:02 7 whole time to talk about all those. They 9:08:02 7 whole time to talk about all those. They 19:08:06 8 are in the public health assessment that is 9:08:06 8 are in the public health assessment that is 19:08:08 9 available on our website and we can probably 9:08:08 9 available on our website and we can probably 19:08:12 10 get you some hard copies. We're just about 9:08:12 10 get you some hard copies. We're just about 19:08:14 11 out, but I'm sure ATSDR will give us more. 9:08:14 11 out, but I'm sure ATSDR will give us more. 19:08:20 12 But I have printed out a summary 9:08:20 12 But I have printed out a summary 19:08:22 13 section that has all 16 conclusions 9:08:22 13 section that has all 16 conclusions 19:08:24 14 completely outlined and they're back on that 9:08:24 14 completely outlined and they're back on that 19:08:28 15 back table. And please take those if you 9:08:28 15 back table. And please take those if you 19:08:32 16 don't want to read the whole thing because 9:08:32 16 don't want to read the whole thing because 19:08:34 17 it -- I tried to write it in a friendly way, 9:08:34 17 it -- I tried to write it in a friendly way, 19:08:36 18 but it's still hard going. At least read 9:08:36 18 but it's still hard going. At least read 19:08:38 19 the conclusions in detail. 9:08:38 19 the conclusions in detail. 19:08:46 20 We found of those conclusions there 9:08:46 20 We found of those conclusions there 19:08:48 21 were two really important ones that have to 9:08:48 21 were two really important ones that have to 19:08:52 22 do with how you could be exposed to the ash 9:08:52 22 do with how you could be exposed to the ash 19:08:56 23 in a way that could harm public health. One 9:08:56 23 in a way that could harm public health. One 19:08:58 24 of those was from drinking water. I think 9:08:58 24 of those was from drinking water. I think 19:09:02 25 you've heard Leo say that with the daily and 9:09:02 25 you've heard Leo say that with the daily and NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
62 19:09:08 1 weekly and biweekly testing of drinking 9:09:08 1 weekly and biweekly testing of drinking 19:09:10 2 water, it's always been safe. Early on we 9:09:10 2 water, it's always been safe. Early on we 19:09:14 3 tested well water and springs and it has -- 9:09:14 3 tested well water and springs and it has -- 19:09:18 4 that hasn't been impacted by the ash. So we 9:09:18 4 that hasn't been impacted by the ash. So we 19:09:24 5 don't feel like there's any public health 9:09:24 5 don't feel like there's any public health 19:09:26 6 threat from the drinking water. 9:09:26 6 threat from the drinking water. 19:09:28 7 The biggest concern we had was from 9:09:28 7 The biggest concern we had was from 19:09:34 8 air, that if the air got -- if the ash dried 9:09:34 8 air, that if the air got -- if the ash dried 19:09:42 9 out and became airborne, you could -- public 9:09:42 9 out and became airborne, you could -- public 19:09:48 10 health could be harmed from the particulate 9:09:48 10 health could be harmed from the particulate 19:09:52 11 matter in the ash. Our public health 9:09:52 11 matter in the ash. Our public health 19:10:00 12 assessment looked at the air data. From as 9:10:00 12 assessment looked at the air data. From as 19:10:06 13 soon as they started, people started taking 9:10:06 13 soon as they started, people started taking 19:10:08 14 air data until through sometime in the 9:10:08 14 air data until through sometime in the 19:10:10 15 summer. I'll have to look up the last date. 9:10:10 15 summer. I'll have to look up the last date. 19:10:14 16 But all the data that we drew conclusions 9:10:14 16 But all the data that we drew conclusions 19:10:18 17 from passed quality control, quality 9:10:18 17 from passed quality control, quality 19:10:22 18 assurance. It's good data. 9:10:22 18 assurance. It's good data. 19:10:26 19 As soon as we heard about the 9:10:26 19 As soon as we heard about the 19:10:26 20 problem with the fall data, we started 9:10:26 20 problem with the fall data, we started 19:10:30 21 talking with Air Pollution Control. I've 9:10:30 21 talking with Air Pollution Control. I've 19:10:36 22 e-mailed with several of them, talked to 9:10:36 22 e-mailed with several of them, talked to 19:10:38 23 Quincy a couple of times. We've been in 9:10:38 23 Quincy a couple of times. We've been in 19:10:40 24 contact with them constantly. I think Leo 9:10:40 24 contact with them constantly. I think Leo 19:10:46 25 did a very good explanation of all the 9:10:46 25 did a very good explanation of all the NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
63 19:10:50 1 redundancy and the backup data that assures 9:10:50 1 redundancy and the backup data that assures 19:10:54 2 us that there was not a problem. And we 9:10:54 2 us that there was not a problem. And we 19:11:00 3 work very closely with Quincy. He's over 9:11:00 3 work very closely with Quincy. He's over 19:11:04 4 there nodding his head because he talked to 9:11:04 4 there nodding his head because he talked to 19:11:06 5 me several times when he was probably 9:11:06 5 me several times when he was probably 19:11:08 6 really busy. Those were our two big 9:11:08 6 really busy. Those were our two big 19:11:12 7 worries, would you be exposed in drinking 9:11:12 7 worries, would you be exposed in drinking 19:11:16 8 water and would you be exposed from the air. 9:11:16 8 water and would you be exposed from the air. 19:11:20 9 So far it looks good. You're not being 9:11:20 9 So far it looks good. You're not being 19:11:24 10 exposed. 9:11:24 10 exposed. 19:11:28 11 Okay. We did an initial release 9:11:28 11 Okay. We did an initial release 19:11:30 12 for fact checking. That's the document you 9:11:30 12 for fact checking. That's the document you 19:11:32 13 read about in the newspaper that's gotten so 9:11:32 13 read about in the newspaper that's gotten so 19:11:38 14 much flack. That went to EPA, TDEC, and TVA 9:11:38 14 much flack. That went to EPA, TDEC, and TVA 19:11:42 15 at the same time. All three agencies looked 9:11:42 15 at the same time. All three agencies looked 19:11:46 16 at the data I used and thought that the data 9:11:46 16 at the data I used and thought that the data 19:11:52 17 I used was the correct data. They also 9:11:52 17 I used was the correct data. They also 19:11:56 18 found a lot of typos and grammatical errors. 9:11:56 18 found a lot of typos and grammatical errors. 19:11:58 19 And I will say this for Oak Ridge Associated 9:11:58 19 And I will say this for Oak Ridge Associated 19:12:02 20 Universities, if you want somebody to check 9:12:02 20 Universities, if you want somebody to check 19:12:04 21 something for grammar, they are superb. 9:12:04 21 something for grammar, they are superb. 19:12:10 22 Okay. 9:12:10 22 Okay. 19:12:12 23 After we got those comments back 9:12:12 23 After we got those comments back 19:12:14 24 from the government agencies, we made our 9:12:14 24 from the government agencies, we made our 19:12:18 25 changes, we got the public comment out for 9:12:18 25 changes, we got the public comment out for NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
64 19:12:22 1 review. After we received comments -- 9:12:22 1 review. After we received comments -- 19:12:28 2 although TVA got it before we did -- we made 9:12:28 2 although TVA got it before we did -- we made 19:12:32 3 TVA's comments and the initial draft public. 9:12:32 3 TVA's comments and the initial draft public. 19:12:36 4 We've also made all comments public from 9:12:36 4 We've also made all comments public from 19:12:42 5 everyone. So you can get out and see just 9:12:42 5 everyone. So you can get out and see just 19:12:44 6 what everybody said. 9:12:44 6 what everybody said. 19:12:48 7 Once we get your comments -- and we 9:12:48 7 Once we get your comments -- and we 19:12:50 8 really do want them. We've gotten a few 9:12:50 8 really do want them. We've gotten a few 19:12:52 9 sets of comments now and I really appreciate 9:12:52 9 sets of comments now and I really appreciate 19:12:54 10 it and it will make the document better. We 9:12:54 10 it and it will make the document better. We 19:13:00 11 really want that. Oh, I forgot. At the 9:13:00 11 really want that. Oh, I forgot. At the 19:13:04 12 same time that y'all got the document, ATSDR 9:13:04 12 same time that y'all got the document, ATSDR 19:13:08 13 sent it out for outside peer review and 9:13:08 13 sent it out for outside peer review and 19:13:12 14 these are people who don't have anything to 9:13:12 14 these are people who don't have anything to 19:13:16 15 do with TVA and they're scientifically 9:13:16 15 do with TVA and they're scientifically 19:13:22 16 qualified to look at the report to make sure 9:13:22 16 qualified to look at the report to make sure 19:13:24 17 our science was correct. And I don't know 9:13:24 17 our science was correct. And I don't know 19:13:30 18 what, though -- we haven't got their 9:13:30 18 what, though -- we haven't got their 19:13:30 19 comments yet, so I don't know what they'll 9:13:30 19 comments yet, so I don't know what they'll 19:13:32 20 say. But whatever they say, we'll take that 9:13:32 20 say. But whatever they say, we'll take that 19:13:34 21 into consideration in making changes just 9:13:34 21 into consideration in making changes just 19:13:38 22 like we will take your comments into 9:13:38 22 like we will take your comments into 19:13:40 23 consideration. And every comment you give 9:13:40 23 consideration. And every comment you give 19:13:42 24 us will be addressed in a health assessment, 9:13:42 24 us will be addressed in a health assessment, 19:13:46 25 in the final document, and that's what will 9:13:46 25 in the final document, and that's what will NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
65 19:13:48 1 be the final release. 9:13:48 1 be the final release. 19:13:54 2 This is what the initial release 9:13:54 2 This is what the initial release 19:13:54 3 looked like. I don't know what it looks 9:13:54 3 looked like. I don't know what it looks 19:13:58 4 like from where you are, but from here it 9:13:58 4 like from where you are, but from here it 19:14:00 5 doesn't look very red. Those little squares 9:14:00 5 doesn't look very red. Those little squares 19:14:04 6 should be red. Those are the people who 9:14:04 6 should be red. Those are the people who 19:14:08 7 reviewed it, who were sent out for review. 9:14:08 7 reviewed it, who were sent out for review. 19:14:12 8 We didn't actually send it to TEMA, but 9:14:12 8 We didn't actually send it to TEMA, but 9 somebody else did, so we took their 10 comments, too. You can find it at our 19:14:22 11 website. Can you read the bottom line? 9:14:22 11 website. Can you read the bottom line? 19:14:28 12 Okay. Good. 9:14:28 12 Okay. Good. 19:14:28 13 This is what the public comment 9:14:28 13 This is what the public comment 19:14:30 14 draft looks like. It's on our website also 9:14:30 14 draft looks like. It's on our website also 19:14:34 15 at the same place. It was sent out 9:14:34 15 at the same place. It was sent out 19:14:38 16 December 9th. We've extended the comment 9:14:38 16 December 9th. We've extended the comment 19:14:42 17 period until March 9th. It's got 9:14:42 17 period until March 9th. It's got 19:14:48 18 background, lots of data, lots of tables, a 9:14:48 18 background, lots of data, lots of tables, a 19:14:52 19 pretty big discussion about everybody's 9:14:52 19 pretty big discussion about everybody's 19:14:56 20 data, both separately and put together for 9:14:56 20 data, both separately and put together for 19:15:00 21 public health implications. And it's got 16 9:15:00 21 public health implications. And it's got 16 19:15:02 22 conclusions, again, which are over on that 9:15:02 22 conclusions, again, which are over on that 19:15:04 23 table and I really, really want you to read 9:15:04 23 table and I really, really want you to read 19:15:06 24 them and I really, really want your 9:15:06 24 them and I really, really want your 19:15:12 25 comments. And they do need to be in writing 9:15:12 25 comments. And they do need to be in writing NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
66 19:15:16 1 because, one, we need a record of them and 9:15:16 1 because, one, we need a record of them and 19:15:22 2 the other is you can tell I'm not a teenager 9:15:22 2 the other is you can tell I'm not a teenager 19:15:24 3 anymore and I might forget what you said, so 9:15:24 3 anymore and I might forget what you said, so 19:15:26 4 I don't want to do that. 9:15:26 4 I don't want to do that. 19:15:30 5 This is what our website looks 9:15:30 5 This is what our website looks 19:15:34 6 like. You can see there's the public 9:15:34 6 like. You can see there's the public 19:15:38 7 comment release and down there is the 9:15:38 7 comment release and down there is the 19:15:42 8 initial release. It goes from most recent 9:15:42 8 initial release. It goes from most recent 19:15:44 9 stuff is at the top and it goes down. We 9:15:44 9 stuff is at the top and it goes down. We 19:15:50 10 use that website ourselves, so we're on 9:15:50 10 use that website ourselves, so we're on 19:15:54 11 there daily and know that the links do work. 9:15:54 11 there daily and know that the links do work. 19:15:56 12 But if you happen to get one that doesn't 9:15:56 12 But if you happen to get one that doesn't 19:15:58 13 work, call us and we'll fix it. 9:15:58 13 work, call us and we'll fix it. 19:16:04 14 Our next steps are to get your 9:16:04 14 Our next steps are to get your 19:16:06 15 comments, to get the external peer review 9:16:06 15 comments, to get the external peer review 19:16:12 16 comments, release the final report. Then we 9:16:12 16 comments, release the final report. Then we 19:16:16 17 won't go away. We'll still be looking over 9:16:16 17 won't go away. We'll still be looking over 19:16:18 18 TDEC's shoulder and EPA's shoulder and 9:16:18 18 TDEC's shoulder and EPA's shoulder and 19:16:22 19 making sure that things are going well from 9:16:22 19 making sure that things are going well from 19:16:26 20 a public health perspective. Here is where 9:16:26 20 a public health perspective. Here is where 19:16:30 21 you can send comments in green. If you want 9:16:30 21 you can send comments in green. If you want 19:16:32 22 to e-mail them to us, you can e-mail them to 9:16:32 22 to e-mail them to us, you can e-mail them to 19:16:42 23 eep.health@tennessee.gov or you can mail it 9:16:42 23 eep.health@tennessee.gov or you can mail it 19:16:42 24 to this address. And if you need -- the 9:16:42 24 to this address. And if you need -- the 19:16:48 25 eep.health is going to be easy to remember 9:16:48 25 eep.health is going to be easy to remember NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
67 19:16:50 1 and we will try to respond to any questions 9:16:50 1 and we will try to respond to any questions 19:16:54 2 that you have both tonight and in the future 9:16:54 2 that you have both tonight and in the future 19:16:58 3 and that's basically all I've got to say. 9:16:58 3 and that's basically all I've got to say. 19:17:12 4 BRUCE ENGELBERT: Thank you, 9:17:12 4 BRUCE ENGELBERT: Thank you, 19:17:12 5 Bonnie. I think now we're going to have the 9:17:12 5 Bonnie. I think now we're going to have the 19:17:14 6 speakers and a few other people come up and 9:17:14 6 speakers and a few other people come up and 19:17:16 7 they're the ones that will be available for 9:17:16 7 they're the ones that will be available for 19:17:18 8 you to ask questions or address comments 9:17:18 8 you to ask questions or address comments 19:17:20 9 that you may have. While they're on their 9:17:20 9 that you may have. While they're on their 19:17:22 10 way up here, let me just re-introduce 9:17:22 10 way up here, let me just re-introduce 19:17:24 11 myself. I'm Bruce Engelbert. I work for a 9:17:24 11 myself. I'm Bruce Engelbert. I work for a 19:17:26 12 small environmental consulting firm out of 9:17:26 12 small environmental consulting firm out of 19:17:30 13 Charlottesville, Virginia, called E-Squared. 9:17:30 13 Charlottesville, Virginia, called E-Squared. 19:17:30 14 And also in the interest of full disclosure, 9:17:30 14 And also in the interest of full disclosure, 19:17:34 15 I did work for EPA for a number of years. I 9:17:34 15 I did work for EPA for a number of years. I 19:17:36 16 left four years ago. I spent a lot of time 9:17:36 16 left four years ago. I spent a lot of time 19:17:38 17 working in public involvement in the Super 9:17:38 17 working in public involvement in the Super 19:17:42 18 Fund Program, so I have a good understanding 9:17:42 18 Fund Program, so I have a good understanding 19:17:44 19 about cleanup activities and a good 9:17:44 19 about cleanup activities and a good 19:17:46 20 understanding of what's important in terms 9:17:46 20 understanding of what's important in terms 19:17:48 21 of engaging the public and having a 9:17:48 21 of engaging the public and having a 19:17:52 22 transparent and a responsive interaction 9:17:52 22 transparent and a responsive interaction 19:17:54 23 between the agencies that are working on 9:17:54 23 between the agencies that are working on 19:17:58 24 these projects and the citizens and people 9:17:58 24 these projects and the citizens and people 19:18:00 25 of the community. 9:18:00 25 of the community. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
68 19:18:04 1 So before I just sort of talk a 9:18:04 1 So before I just sort of talk a 19:18:06 2 little bit about how we're going to proceed, 9:18:06 2 little bit about how we're going to proceed, 19:18:08 3 let's quickly go down. You know Bonnie, you 9:18:08 3 let's quickly go down. You know Bonnie, you 19:18:12 4 know Steve, Brenda, I'm sorry, Leo, Craig. 9:18:12 4 know Steve, Brenda, I'm sorry, Leo, Craig. 5 Do you want to just introduce yourselves 6 since -- 19:18:20 7 QUINCY STYKE: I'm Quincy Styke, 9:18:20 7 QUINCY STYKE: I'm Quincy Styke, 19:18:24 8 deputy director of the State's Air Pollution 9:18:24 8 deputy director of the State's Air Pollution 9 Control Division. 19:18:26 10 BRUCE ENGELBERT: And Randy. Also, 9:18:26 10 BRUCE ENGELBERT: And Randy. Also, 19:18:30 11 just so everybody knows, over here we have a 9:18:30 11 just so everybody knows, over here we have a 19:18:32 12 court reporter and she's making a transcript 9:18:32 12 court reporter and she's making a transcript 19:18:34 13 of the proceedings. The purpose is because 9:18:34 13 of the proceedings. The purpose is because 19:18:38 14 EPA and TVA want to know what's being talked 9:18:38 14 EPA and TVA want to know what's being talked 19:18:42 15 about this evening and they want to be able 9:18:42 15 about this evening and they want to be able 19:18:44 16 to refer back to it, so if there are 9:18:44 16 to refer back to it, so if there are 19:18:46 17 questions or continuing concerns, they even 9:18:46 17 questions or continuing concerns, they even 19:18:50 18 know who to get in touch with and can make 9:18:50 18 know who to get in touch with and can make 19:18:52 19 sure to follow up on the things that are 9:18:52 19 sure to follow up on the things that are 19:18:52 20 discussed. 9:18:52 20 discussed. 19:18:54 21 So there are quite a few people in 9:18:54 21 So there are quite a few people in 19:18:56 22 the audience. Probably a lot of you do have 9:18:56 22 the audience. Probably a lot of you do have 19:18:58 23 comments, questions, concerns that you'd 9:18:58 23 comments, questions, concerns that you'd 19:19:00 24 like to raise. This is going to be your 9:19:00 24 like to raise. This is going to be your 19:19:02 25 opportunity. We've got two mics, one here 9:19:02 25 opportunity. We've got two mics, one here NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
69 19:19:04 1 and one here. And when you come up, I will 9:19:04 1 and one here. And when you come up, I will 19:19:08 2 recognize you and then if you can be as 9:19:08 2 recognize you and then if you can be as 19:19:12 3 concise as possible in making your remarks 9:19:12 3 concise as possible in making your remarks 19:19:16 4 so that we can make sure that everybody has 9:19:16 4 so that we can make sure that everybody has 19:19:18 5 an opportunity to participate this evening. 9:19:18 5 an opportunity to participate this evening. 19:19:20 6 If you'd try to finish up in a couple of 9:19:20 6 If you'd try to finish up in a couple of 19:19:22 7 minutes. There isn't a strict time frame, 9:19:22 7 minutes. There isn't a strict time frame, 19:19:24 8 but, again, we do want to give everybody an 9:19:24 8 but, again, we do want to give everybody an 19:19:28 9 opportunity to participate. 9:19:28 9 opportunity to participate. 19:19:28 10 You may have questions based on the 9:19:28 10 You may have questions based on the 19:19:34 11 presentations that were made, you may have 9:19:34 11 presentations that were made, you may have 19:19:36 12 concerns, you may have criticisms. All of 9:19:36 12 concerns, you may have criticisms. All of 19:19:38 13 those, the folks up here do want to hear 9:19:38 13 those, the folks up here do want to hear 19:19:40 14 that. And it's perfectly okay to be 9:19:40 14 that. And it's perfectly okay to be 19:19:46 15 passionate in what you have to say, to speak 9:19:46 15 passionate in what you have to say, to speak 19:19:48 16 emotionally, but it's also very important 9:19:48 16 emotionally, but it's also very important 19:19:50 17 that in our comments and our discussions 9:19:50 17 that in our comments and our discussions 19:19:52 18 that we be respectful and we try to be 9:19:52 18 that we be respectful and we try to be 19:19:54 19 constructive because our purpose here 9:19:54 19 constructive because our purpose here 19:19:58 20 tonight is to exchange information, try to 9:19:58 20 tonight is to exchange information, try to 19:20:00 21 learn from one another. It's not really an 9:20:00 21 learn from one another. It's not really an 19:20:02 22 opportunity to resolve personal or policy 9:20:02 22 opportunity to resolve personal or policy 19:20:06 23 issues. Things can be raised, but this is 9:20:06 23 issues. Things can be raised, but this is 19:20:10 24 not a decision meeting. It's, again, an 9:20:10 24 not a decision meeting. It's, again, an 19:20:12 25 information exchange. 9:20:12 25 information exchange. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
70 19:20:14 1 So when the people are speaking, 9:20:14 1 So when the people are speaking, 19:20:16 2 please give them your full attention. Try 9:20:16 2 please give them your full attention. Try 19:20:18 3 to listen with an open mind and try to -- 9:20:18 3 to listen with an open mind and try to -- 19:20:24 4 all try and come away from this with a 9:20:24 4 all try and come away from this with a 19:20:26 5 better understanding of not only what's been 9:20:26 5 better understanding of not only what's been 19:20:28 6 accomplished but the things that remain to 9:20:28 6 accomplished but the things that remain to 19:20:30 7 be done, the issues that are out there and 9:20:30 7 be done, the issues that are out there and 19:20:32 8 what the concerns are on everybody's mind. 9:20:32 8 what the concerns are on everybody's mind. 19:20:34 9 So without any further ado, I 9:20:34 9 So without any further ado, I 19:20:38 10 invite the brave souls who would like to get 9:20:38 10 invite the brave souls who would like to get 19:20:42 11 us started to come up to the microphone. 9:20:42 11 us started to come up to the microphone. 19:20:44 12 When you come up, please state your name and 9:20:44 12 When you come up, please state your name and 19:20:46 13 if you're affiliated with an organization, 9:20:46 13 if you're affiliated with an organization, 19:20:48 14 it would also be nice if you'd let us know 9:20:48 14 it would also be nice if you'd let us know 19:20:50 15 who that is so we kind of have a context for 9:20:50 15 who that is so we kind of have a context for 19:20:54 16 your remarks. And where you're from, so if 9:20:54 16 your remarks. And where you're from, so if 19:20:58 17 you live in the community or if you're from 9:20:58 17 you live in the community or if you're from 19:20:58 18 elsewhere. So we'll start on this side. 9:20:58 18 elsewhere. So we'll start on this side. 19:21:04 19 JACK ARP: My name is Jack Arp. I 9:21:04 19 JACK ARP: My name is Jack Arp. I 19:21:10 20 live on Swan Pond Circle Road. I've got a 9:21:10 20 live on Swan Pond Circle Road. I've got a 19:21:12 21 couple of questions. I don't know where is 9:21:12 21 couple of questions. I don't know where is 19:21:12 22 or what is exclusion zone and who decides 9:21:12 22 or what is exclusion zone and who decides 19:21:16 23 where that's at. Also, where do you get the 9:21:16 23 where that's at. Also, where do you get the 19:21:18 24 water that you're watering down the roads? 9:21:18 24 water that you're watering down the roads? 19:21:24 25 LEO FRANCENDESE: The exclusion 9:21:24 25 LEO FRANCENDESE: The exclusion NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
71 19:21:26 1 zone is a HAZWOPER. HAZWOPER is -- if 9:21:26 1 zone is a HAZWOPER. HAZWOPER is -- if 19:21:32 2 you're familiar with that. So we determine 9:21:32 2 you're familiar with that. So we determine 19:21:34 3 the exclusion zone based on the work that's 9:21:34 3 the exclusion zone based on the work that's 19:21:38 4 being conducted and it's a balance between 9:21:38 4 being conducted and it's a balance between 19:21:42 5 making sure that, for instance, you have a 9:21:42 5 making sure that, for instance, you have a 19:21:44 6 road, Swan Pond Circle, that actually cuts 9:21:44 6 road, Swan Pond Circle, that actually cuts 19:21:50 7 through the site. The road is not part of 9:21:50 7 through the site. The road is not part of 19:21:52 8 the exclusion zone, but north of that is and 9:21:52 8 the exclusion zone, but north of that is and 19:21:56 9 south of that is. I guess to determine -- 9:21:56 9 south of that is. I guess to determine -- 19:22:02 10 in the end the decision comes to my desk. 9:22:02 10 in the end the decision comes to my desk. 19:22:06 11 I approve the health and safety plan, but 9:22:06 11 I approve the health and safety plan, but 19:22:08 12 there is recommendations that come up before 9:22:08 12 there is recommendations that come up before 19:22:12 13 I decide what is and what isn't part of the 9:22:12 13 I decide what is and what isn't part of the 19:22:16 14 exclusion zone. 9:22:16 14 exclusion zone. 19:22:16 15 JACK ARP: Okay. What about the 9:22:16 15 JACK ARP: Okay. What about the 19:22:18 16 water that you get to water the roads, where 9:22:18 16 water that you get to water the roads, where 17 does it come from? 19:22:20 18 LEO FRANCENDESE: The water that 9:22:20 18 LEO FRANCENDESE: The water that 19:22:22 19 comes from the roads comes from the river. 9:22:22 19 comes from the roads comes from the river. 19:22:26 20 JACK ARP: Okay. Thank you. 9:22:26 20 JACK ARP: Okay. Thank you. 19:22:28 21 LEO FRANCENDESE: You're welcome. 9:22:28 21 LEO FRANCENDESE: You're welcome. 19:22:28 22 TERRI LIKENS: Terri Likens, Roane 9:22:28 22 TERRI LIKENS: Terri Likens, Roane 19:22:32 23 County News, Kingston. I heard that the 9:22:32 23 County News, Kingston. I heard that the 19:22:34 24 river is going to be closed again. I didn't 9:22:34 24 river is going to be closed again. I didn't 19:22:36 25 get a clear date on when that will be 9:22:36 25 get a clear date on when that will be NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
72 19:22:38 1 reopened. I was wondering what we can -- 9:22:38 1 reopened. I was wondering what we can -- 19:22:44 2 LEO FRANCENDESE: Yeah. Terri, it 9:22:44 2 LEO FRANCENDESE: Yeah. Terri, it 19:22:44 3 appears to me that the most reasonable 9:22:44 3 appears to me that the most reasonable 19:22:46 4 answer for keeping at least that section 9:22:46 4 answer for keeping at least that section 19:22:48 5 that we already have closed closed is until 9:22:48 5 that we already have closed closed is until 19:22:52 6 the first week of May. We currently have 9:22:52 6 the first week of May. We currently have 19:22:56 7 until February 15th. What I'm not sure 9:22:56 7 until February 15th. What I'm not sure 19:22:58 8 about is whether to extend the distance in 9:22:58 8 about is whether to extend the distance in 19:23:02 9 the river for the closure, because we're not 9:23:02 9 the river for the closure, because we're not 19:23:06 10 going to be working there all the time, 9:23:06 10 going to be working there all the time, 19:23:08 11 because we have far less ash in those areas 9:23:08 11 because we have far less ash in those areas 19:23:10 12 that we have to go get. I'm really trying 9:23:10 12 that we have to go get. I'm really trying 19:23:12 13 to gauge the inconvenience to people who use 9:23:12 13 to gauge the inconvenience to people who use 19:23:16 14 the river or live on the river to try to 9:23:16 14 the river or live on the river to try to 19:23:20 15 figure out some navigation. But that's also 9:23:20 15 figure out some navigation. But that's also 19:23:24 16 protective of them, for instance, running 9:23:24 16 protective of them, for instance, running 19:23:26 17 into a dredge line or coming too close to 9:23:26 17 into a dredge line or coming too close to 19:23:28 18 dredge anchors. 9:23:28 18 dredge anchors. 19:23:30 19 TERRI LIKENS: But for the whole 9:23:30 19 TERRI LIKENS: But for the whole 19:23:30 20 river, by the second week of May the river 9:23:30 20 river, by the second week of May the river 19:23:32 21 will be back to public again? 9:23:32 21 will be back to public again? 19:23:38 22 LEO FRANCENDESE: It will no longer 9:23:38 22 LEO FRANCENDESE: It will no longer 19:23:38 23 be closed. All right. That's what we're 9:23:38 23 be closed. All right. That's what we're 19:23:40 24 shooting for. 9:23:40 24 shooting for. 19:23:42 25 FRANZ RAETZER: I'm Franz Raetzer. 9:23:42 25 FRANZ RAETZER: I'm Franz Raetzer. NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
73 19:23:46 1 I live at 406 West Shore Drive in Harriman. 9:23:46 1 I live at 406 West Shore Drive in Harriman. 19:23:50 2 I have two questions. What happens to the 9:23:50 2 I have two questions. What happens to the 19:23:54 3 water from the ball field? Do you just dump 9:23:54 3 water from the ball field? Do you just dump 19:23:56 4 that back into the river? 9:23:56 4 that back into the river? 19:23:58 5 LEO FRANCENDESE: So the water 9:23:58 5 LEO FRANCENDESE: So the water 19:24:00 6 from the ball field gets -- storm water 9:24:00 6 from the ball field gets -- storm water 19:24:06 7 management. That water goes -- gets 9:24:06 7 management. That water goes -- gets 19:24:08 8 channeled to the rim ditch. The material 9:24:08 8 channeled to the rim ditch. The material 19:24:12 9 from the river comes to the rim ditch. 9:24:12 9 from the river comes to the rim ditch. 19:24:14 10 That's where it gets excavated out and it 9:24:14 10 That's where it gets excavated out and it 19:24:18 11 goes around to a sluice trench. It goes 9:24:18 11 goes around to a sluice trench. It goes 19:24:20 12 to the settling pond and then to a polishing 9:24:20 12 to the settling pond and then to a polishing 19:24:22 13 pond, otherwise known as the stilling pond. 9:24:22 13 pond, otherwise known as the stilling pond. 19:24:26 14 So all that ball field water gets 9:24:26 14 So all that ball field water gets 19:24:28 15 rechanneled back to the rim ditch, sluice 9:24:28 15 rechanneled back to the rim ditch, sluice 19:24:32 16 trench, settling pond and the stilling pond. 9:24:32 16 trench, settling pond and the stilling pond. 19:24:34 17 FRANZ RAETZER: What's the quality 9:24:34 17 FRANZ RAETZER: What's the quality 19:24:36 18 of that water when it goes finally into the 9:24:36 18 of that water when it goes finally into the 19:24:38 19 river? 9:24:38 19 river? 19:24:38 20 LEO FRANCENDESE: So that water 9:24:38 20 LEO FRANCENDESE: So that water 19:24:40 21 meets the current permit parameters at the 9:24:40 21 meets the current permit parameters at the 22 NPDES permit, which is an outfall permit at 19:24:46 23 the stilling pond. 9:24:46 23 the stilling pond. 19:24:48 24 FRANZ RAETZER: But that's not 9:24:48 24 FRANZ RAETZER: But that's not 19:24:50 25 drinking water quality? 9:24:50 25 drinking water quality? NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
74 19:24:52 1 LEO FRANCENDESE: No. 9:24:52 1 LEO FRANCENDESE: No. 19:24:52 2 FRANZ RAETZER: Uh-huh. So you get 9:24:52 2 FRANZ RAETZER: Uh-huh. So you get 19:24:54 3 them on the river to dilute it down to 9:24:54 3 them on the river to dilute it down to 19:24:56 4 drinking water quality? 9:24:56 4 drinking water quality? 19:24:58 5 LEO FRANCENDESE: Well, there are 9:24:58 5 LEO FRANCENDESE: Well, there are 19:25:00 6 two answers to that. The first answer is, 9:25:00 6 two answers to that. The first answer is, 19:25:02 7 yes, there's definitely an element of 9:25:02 7 yes, there's definitely an element of 19:25:06 8 dilution when it hits the river and you can 9:25:06 8 dilution when it hits the river and you can 19:25:08 9 see that in other means. When you look at 9:25:08 9 see that in other means. When you look at 19:25:10 10 the embayment, you see those concentrations 9:25:10 10 the embayment, you see those concentrations 19:25:12 11 are higher, but when you look in the river, 9:25:12 11 are higher, but when you look in the river, 19:25:14 12 you see those concentrations are lower. 9:25:14 12 you see those concentrations are lower. 19:25:16 13 It's the same material. I have a higher 9:25:16 13 It's the same material. I have a higher 19:25:20 14 volume of water. But also the settling 9:25:20 14 volume of water. But also the settling 19:25:22 15 process that it goes through with the 9:25:22 15 process that it goes through with the 19:25:26 16 ditches, the settling pond, and the 9:25:26 16 ditches, the settling pond, and the 19:25:28 17 polishing pond, take out a large degree of 9:25:28 17 polishing pond, take out a large degree of 18 suspended solids. 19:25:32 19 FRANZ RAETZER: Yes, but that 9:25:32 19 FRANZ RAETZER: Yes, but that 19:25:34 20 leads me to the second question. That is 9:25:34 20 leads me to the second question. That is 19:25:36 21 what Ms. Bashor said in the newspaper 9:25:36 21 what Ms. Bashor said in the newspaper 19:25:42 22 article or was quoted as saying that these 9:25:42 22 article or was quoted as saying that these 19:25:46 23 ash contaminants are absolutely not water 9:25:46 23 ash contaminants are absolutely not water 19:25:50 24 soluble, they are not coming out of the ash 9:25:50 24 soluble, they are not coming out of the ash 19:25:56 25 particles. And I don't believe that because 9:25:56 25 particles. And I don't believe that because NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
75 19:25:58 1 if that was true, then no fertilizer would 9:25:58 1 if that was true, then no fertilizer would 19:26:02 2 work. So explain to me why you still 9:26:02 2 work. So explain to me why you still 19:26:08 3 believe that this is absolutely non-water 9:26:08 3 believe that this is absolutely non-water 19:26:14 4 soluble. Which actually I think Quincy is 9:26:14 4 soluble. Which actually I think Quincy is 19:26:18 5 the name has stated to me that those would 9:26:18 5 the name has stated to me that those would 19:26:22 6 be forwarded, that this is very hard bound 9:26:22 6 be forwarded, that this is very hard bound 19:26:26 7 in the material and I wonder where you get 9:26:26 7 in the material and I wonder where you get 19:26:28 8 that opinion from, whether you have made 9:26:28 8 that opinion from, whether you have made 19:26:30 9 personally the tests that this stuff is not 9:26:30 9 personally the tests that this stuff is not 19:26:34 10 leaching out into the water. 9:26:34 10 leaching out into the water. 19:26:40 11 BONNIE BASHOR: One, I didn't say 9:26:40 11 BONNIE BASHOR: One, I didn't say 19:26:40 12 it that way. What I said was that they were 9:26:40 12 it that way. What I said was that they were 19:26:44 13 tightly bound. I didn't say they were 9:26:44 13 tightly bound. I didn't say they were 19:26:46 14 100 percent completely, totally bound. 9:26:46 14 100 percent completely, totally bound. 19:26:50 15 Okay. So there's a little difference there. 9:26:50 15 Okay. So there's a little difference there. 19:26:54 16 FRANZ RAETZER: Okay. But we have 9:26:54 16 FRANZ RAETZER: Okay. But we have 19:26:56 17 -- we hear other stuff that is going 9:26:56 17 -- we hear other stuff that is going 19:26:58 18 somewhere and it will be rained on or -- 9:26:58 18 somewhere and it will be rained on or -- 19:27:02 19 BONNIE BASHOR: Well, I think you 9:27:02 19 BONNIE BASHOR: Well, I think you 19:27:02 20 can see that from Leo's data. There is -- 9:27:02 20 can see that from Leo's data. There is -- 19:27:08 21 he used arsenic as a -- what's the word -- 9:27:08 21 he used arsenic as a -- what's the word -- 19:27:16 22 as a surrogate of what's happening. 9:27:16 22 as a surrogate of what's happening. 19:27:16 23 LEO FRANCENDESE: Primary 9:27:16 23 LEO FRANCENDESE: Primary 19:27:16 24 contaminate, it's the tracking contaminant. 9:27:16 24 contaminate, it's the tracking contaminant. 19:27:20 25 BONNIE BASHOR: It's a tracking 9:27:20 25 BONNIE BASHOR: It's a tracking NATIONAL REPORTING AGENCY (423) 267-8059 (800) 261-8059
76 19:27:22 1 contaminant. Right at the ash, the levels 9:27:22 1 contaminant. Right at the ash, the levels 19:27:24 2 are high. And I suspect that may have more 9:27:24 2 are high. And I suspect that may have more 19:27:30 3 impact on fish than it would with people 9:27:30 3 impact on fish than it would with people 19:27:32 4 because people aren't exposed right there. 9:27:32 4 because people aren't exposed right there. 19:27:38 5 FRANZ RAETZER: I understand that, 9:27:38 5 FRANZ RAETZER: I understand that, 6 but -- 19:27:38 7 BONNIE BASHOR: Okay. So by the 9:27:38 7 BONNIE BASHOR: Okay. So by the 19:27:40 8 time it gets out in the river we're at -- 9:27:40 8 time it gets out in the river we're at -- 19:27:42 9 the levels are very low. 9:27:42 9 the levels are very low. 19:27:44 10 FRANZ RAETZER: It's diluted, yes. 9:27:44 10 FRANZ RAETZER: It's diluted, yes. 11 BONNIE BASHOR: Yes. 19:27:46 12 FRANZ RAETZER: But the elements 9:27:46 12 FRANZ RAETZER: But the elements 19:27:46 13 are still there, so in turn is that really 9:27:46 13 are still there, so in turn is that really 19:27:50 14 safe? 9:27:50 14 safe? 19:27:52 15 BONNIE BASHOR: Yes, because the 9:27:52 15 BONNIE BASHOR: Yes, because the